General discussion of US politics

A: Elect the old guy, because he’ll probably die before he gets a
pension.

R: One DAY of war costs more than a few decades of pension, so picking
whichever guy has a sensible foreign policy will save you thousands of
times more.

In Hong Kong Disneyland, Hong Kong kid was beaten by Chinese kid
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=J39R3Bu2lJ4

Legal Basis of Building a Free Hong Kong
http://www.hkfront.org/reason-en.htm

Hong Konger Front, calling for Hong Kong independence and the
establishment of the Republic of Hong Kong
http://www.hkfront.org/index-sub-en.html

6 September 2008
Sayyid Qutb and Islamist ideology
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This year marks the 25th birthday of Al Qaeda and its particular brand
of Islamist ideology and philosophy. So this week The Philosopher’s
Zone explores the life and times of a man who greatly influenced al
Qaeda and the modern Islamist movement: the Egyptian thinker Sayyid
Qutb.

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This transcript was typed from a recording of the program. The ABC
cannot guarantee its complete accuracy because of the possibility of
mishearing and occasional difficulty in identifying speakers.

Transcript available Monday 8 September.

Guests

John Calvert
Associate Professor
Department of History
Creighton University
Nebraska
United States

Further Information

Milestones by sayyid Qutb
Published online by Studies in Islam and the Middle East

The Philosopher of Islamic Terror by Paul Berman
Published in The New York times in 2005
Publications

Title: A child from the village
Author: Sayyid Qutb (translated by John Calvert)
Publisher: Syracuse University Press (2005)

Title: In the shade of the Qur’an
Author: Sayyid Qutb (translators M. A. Salahi and A. A. Shamis)
Publisher: World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY) International

Title: Terror and liberalism
Author: Paul Berman
Publisher: W W Norton (2004)
Presenter

Alan Saunders
Producer

Kyla Slaven

Alan SaundersSaturday 1.35pm
repeated Monday 1.35pm
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Presented by
Alan Saunders

But they count on the rest of us being even more stupid.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/213806.php

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=57231

ELECTION 2008
Obama worked with terrorist
Senator helped fund organization that rejects ‘racist’ Israel’s
existence
Posted: February 24, 2008
5:44 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Sen. Barack Obama

JERUSALEM – The board of a nonprofit organization on which Sen. Barack
Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist
granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the
establishment of Israel as a "catastrophe" and supports intense
immigration reform, including providing drivers licenses and education
to illegal aliens.

The co-founder of the Arab group in question, Columbia University
professor Rashid Khalidi, also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi
is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of
Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine
Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism
and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.

In 2001, the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit that describes itself
as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the
Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, for which Khalidi’s wife, Mona,
serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for
$35,000 in 2002.

Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002,
according to the Fund’s website.  According to tax filings, Obama
received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and
2000.

Obama served on the Wood’s Fund board alongside William C. Ayers, a
member of the Weathermen terrorist group which sought to overthrow of
the U.S. government and took responsibility for bombing the U.S. Capitol
in 1971.

Ayers, who still serves on the Woods Fund board, contributed $200 to
Obama’s senatorial campaign fund and has served on panels with Obama at
numerous public speaking engagements. Ayers admitted to involvement in
the bombings of U.S. governmental buildings in the 1970s.  He is a
professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

The $40,000 grant from Obama’s Woods Fund to the AAAN constituted about
a fifth of the Arab group’s reported grants for 2001, according to tax
filings obtained by WND.  The $35,000 Woods Fund grant in 2002 also
constituted about one-fifth of AAAN’s reported grants for that year.

The AAAN, headquartered in the heart of Chicago’s Palestinian immigrant
community, describes itself as working to "empower Chicago-area Arab
immigrants and Arab Americans through the combined strategies of
community organizing, advocacy, education and social services,
leadership development, and forging productive relationships with other
communities."

It reportedly has worked on projects with the Illinois Coalition for
Immigrant and Refugee Rights, which supports open boarders and education
for illegal aliens.

The AAAN in 2005 sent a letter to New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson in
which it called a billboard opposing a North Carolina-New Mexico joint
initiative to deny driver’s licenses to illegal aliens a "bigoted attack
on Arabs and Muslims."

Speakers at AAAN dinners and events routinely have taken an anti-Israel
line.

The group co-sponsored a Palestinian art exhibit, titled, "The Subject
of Palestine," that featured works related to what some Palestinians
call the "Nakba" or "catastrophe" of Israel’s founding in 1948.

According to the widely discredited Nakba narrative, Jews in 1948
forcibly expelled hundreds of thousands – some Palestinians claim over
one million – Arabs from their homes and then took over the territory.

(Story continues below)

Historically, about 600,000 Arabs fled Israel after surrounding Arab
countries warned they would destroy the Jewish state in 1948. Some Arabs
also were driven out by Jewish forces while they were trying to push
back invading Arab armies. At the same time, over 800,000 Jews were
expelled or left Arab countries under threat after Israel was founded.

The theme of AAAN’s Nakba art exhibit, held at DePaul University in
2005, was "the compelling and continuing tragedy of Palestinian life …
under [Israeli] occupation … home demolition … statelessness …
bereavement … martyrdom, and … the heroic struggle for life, for
safety, and for freedom."

Another AAAN initiative, titled, "Al Nakba 1948 as experienced by
Chicago Palestinians," seeks documents related to the "catastrophe" of
Israel’s founding.  

A post on the AAAN site asked users: "Do you have photos, letters or
other memories you could share about Al-Nakba-1948?"

That posting was recently removed.  The AAAN website currently states
the entire site is under construction.

Pro-PLO advocate held Obama fundraiser, describes Obama as ‘sympathetic’

AAAN co-founder Rashid Khalidi was reportedly a director of the official
PLO press agency WAFA in Beirut from 1976 to 1982, while the PLO
committed scores of anti-Western attacks and was labeled by the U.S. as
a terror group. Khalidi’s wife, AAAN President Mona Khalidi, was
reportedly WAFA’s English translator during that period.

Rashid Khalidi at times has denied working directly for the PLO but
Palestinian diplomatic sources in Ramallah told WND he indeed worked on
behalf of WAFA. Khalidi also advised the Palestinian delegation to the
Madrid Conference in 1991.

During documented speeches and public events, Khalidi has called Israel
an "apartheid system in creation" and a destructive "racist" state.  

He has multiple times expressed support for Palestinian terror, calling
suicide bombings response to "Israeli aggression." He dedicated his 1986
book, "Under Siege," to "those who gave their lives … in defense of
the cause of Palestine and independence of Lebanon." Critics assailed
the book as excusing Palestinian terrorism.

While the Woods Fund’s contribution to Khalidi’s AAAN might be perceived
as a one-time run in with Obama, the presidential hopeful and Khalidi
evidence a deeper relationship.

According to a professor at the University of Chicago who said he has
known Obama for 12 years, the Democratic presidential hopeful first
befriended Khalidi when the two worked together at the university. The
professor spoke on condition of anonymity. Khalidi lectured at the
University of Chicago until 2003 while Obama taught law there from 1993
until his election to the Senate in 2004.

Khalidi in 2000 held what was described as a successful fundraiser for
Obama’s failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, a
fact not denied by Khalidi.

Speaking in a joint interview with WND and the John Batchelor Show of
New York’s WABC Radio and Los Angeles’ KFI Radio, Khalidi was asked
about his 2000 fundraiser for Obama.

"I was just doing my duties as a Chicago resident to help my local
politician," Khalidi stated.

Khalidi said he supports Obama for president "because he is the only
candidate who has expressed sympathy for the Palestinian cause."

Khalidi also lauded Obama for "saying he supports talks with Iran. If
the U.S. can talk with the Soviet Union during the Cold War, there is no
reason it can’t talk with the Iranians."

Asked about Obama’s role funding the AAAN, Khalidi claimed he had "never
heard of the Woods Fund until it popped up on a bunch of blogs a few
months ago."  

He terminated the call when petitioned further about his links with
Obama.  

Contacted by phone, Mona Khalidi refused to answer WND’s questions about
the AAAN’s involvement with Obama.

Obama’s campaign headquarters did not reply to a list of WND questions
sent by e-mail to the senator’s press office.

Obama, American terrorist in same circles

Obama served on the board with Ayers, who was a Weathermen leader and
has written about his involvement with the group’s bombings of the New
York City Police headquarters in 1970, the Capitol in 1971 and the
Pentagon in 1972.

"I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough," Ayers told
the New York Times in an interview released on Sept. 11, 2001

"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,"
Ayers wrote in his memoirs, titled "Fugitive Days." He continued with a
disclaimer that he didn’t personally set the bombs, but his group set
the explosives and planned the attack.

A $200 campaign contribution is listed on April 2, 2001 by the "Friends
of Barack Obama" campaign fund. The two taught appeared speaking
together at several public events, including a 1997 University of
Chicago panel entitled, "Should a child ever be called a ‘super
predator?’" and another panel for the University of Illinois in April
2002, entitled, "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?"

The charges against Ayers were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial
misconduct, including illegal surveillance.

Ayers is married to another notorious Weathermen terrorist, Bernadine
Dohrn, who has also served on panels with Obama. Dohrn was once on the
FBI’s Top 10 Most Wanted List and was described by J. Edgar Hoover as
the "most dangerous woman in America." Ayers and Dohrn raised the son of
Weathermen terrorist Kathy Boudin, who was serving a sentence for
participating in a 1981 murder and robbery that left 4 people dead.

Obama advisor wants talks with terrorists

The revelations about Obama’s relationship with Khalidi follows a recent
WND article quoting Israeli security officials who expressed "concern"
about Robert Malley, an adviser to Obama who has advocated negotiations
with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist
group.

Malley, a principal Obama foreign policy adviser, has penned numerous
opinion articles, many of them co-written with a former adviser to the
late Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat, petitioning for
dialogue with Hamas and blasting Israel for numerous policies he says
harm the Palestinian cause.
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Barack Obama’s "Community Organized"
September 05, 2008 11:28 AM EDT (Updated: September 05, 2008 12:01 PM
EDT)
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The recent dig by Sarah Palin at Obama’s "community organizing" past
brought a quick and pointed response from the Democratic party in his
defense and revealed their thin-skin when confronted with any criticism
of their candidate no matter how valid or documented.

What it didn’t reveal is the shady relationship Obama has maintained
over the years with radical and openly "above-the-law" groups from his
past.

ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now is the
organization Obama both organized for before attending law school and
provided legal counsel to after.   According to the Wall Street Journal
article, ACORN is a radical partisan group using partial funding from
the federal government to pressure Wal-Mart and other non-union
businesses.  Their tax status requires that they be nonpartisan but they
are in-fact anything but.  They have been involved in voter fraud and
other scandals bordering on extortion, intimidation, storming council
meetings and other such "community" activities.

There have been convictions related to voter fraud in at least two
states and investigations underway in several others.  The founder’s
brother and organization CFO (Dale Rathke) embezzled nearly $1 million
from the organization in 1999-2000 timeframe which he and founder
brother (Wade Rathke) covered up along with others in the organization.  
Neither this organization, nor Obama’s ties to it, has received
appropriate media scrutiny.  His ability (like ACORN’s) to wrap his
radical beliefs and methods in a pleasant non-threatening veneer is
misleading and bodes danger for the country if it remains undisclosed.
See also this and that and the other.  By the way, ACORN is a private
corporation and thus doesn’t divulge financials, but they and
subsidiaries do receive federal funds (at least $2 Million in 2003 in
one subsidiary alone).  ACORN endorsed, guess who, Obama for President.

In a related circumstance, Sarah Palin was wrongly criticized from some
on the left  (although not by Obama) for having a Downs Syndrome baby
and how that might interfere with her VP duties.  Her unmarried
seventeen year old daughter’s pregnancy to her future husband and
intention to keep the child contrasted markedly with Obama’s statement
that he wouldn’t "penalize" his daughter "with a baby" if she found her
self similarly pregnant from such a "mistake" (Watch).

This situation is illuminating since Obama spoke at Planned Parenthood
during the campaign, praised them for their work, and received their
endorsement for President. What else does Planned Parenthood do?  They
received about $300 Million in Federal Funding in 2005 and used it to
perform about 1 out of every 5 US Abortions (See here).  Equally
important, they refuse to follow the law and report child statutory rape
events (here) and are perfectly willing to accept racially motivated
donations (watch this) and ( this).

Why doesn’t he hold organizations that he is involved in accountable to
at least the law of the land?
Why does Barack Obama endorse, encourage, and seek the endorsements of
organizations that behave dishonestly?  A similar question could be
asked about his long term associations with admitted terrorist Bill
Ayers and convicted Tony Resko.  Why does the Democratic party allow
these shady allegiances to prosper?

More importantly, why doesn’t the mainstream media ask about these
matters.  Why won’t they tell you about these issues?  What else won’t
they tell you about Barack Obama and his "community"? Is his the kind of
"change" you want?   Do you want him "organizing" in your community or
taking the oath to be your President?  Given his history and relations
to these organizations, would his oath even mean anything?

‘Course technically that would be murder.

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Subject: Taliban fighter is clad in the bulletproof vest of a dead
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Taliban bring the war home to France
By Katrin Bennhold
Published: September 4, 2008

PARIS: One Taliban fighter is clad in the bulletproof vest of a dead
French soldier. Another proudly shows off a French walkie-talkie. Yet
another wears a camouflaged French Army helmet.

A glossy six-page photo spread published Thursday and featuring a
group of insurgents who say they killed 10 French soldiers in
Afghanistan on Aug. 18 has reinforced uneasiness about France’s
military presence there.
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OMG go look at every afghan in all history and see where they got the
weapons in every picture they are wearing and carrying weapons taken
off the last invaders , see national geographics magazine  coverage of
Russian weapons captured in the 1980s

wiki
Of the 16,000 people that left Kabul only one regiment, the 44th was
actually British. Another 4000 were Indian troops and the remaining
10,000 their families and other camp followers. During the withdrawal
they were attacked by Ghilzai tribesmen and in running battles through
the snowbound passes nearly all were massacred. Of the British only
one, Dr Brydon, reached Jalalabad,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kabul_during_the_First_Anglo-Afgha…
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Afghans are still using the weapons they took off dead brits in the
1800s

almost every weapon in Afghanistan was paid for by western taxpayers
and stolen from dead western or Russian soldiers and has been like
for thousands of years since Alexander tried to occupy Afghanistan
and  collapsed ancient Greece trying

go look in old pictures going back hundreds of years , almost every
afghan gun was taken off a dead occupation army , and you can still
buy rifles captured from Brits in 1878 that are still in use in Kabul
markets

national geographic has hundreds of full page colour pics  of afghans
all carring weapons taken from dead Russians

guess who always wins in the end see pics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Afghan_wars

War in Afghanistan
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The terms Afghan War or War in Afghanistan may refer to:

    * Islamic conquest of Afghanistan (637-709)
    * Anglo-Afghan Wars:
          o First Anglo-Afghan War (1839-1842)
          o Second Anglo-Afghan War (1878-1881)
          o Third Anglo-Afghan War (1919)
    * Panjdeh Incident (1885)
    * Reforms of Amanullah Khan and civil war, 1929 civil war when
Afghan rebel Bacha-i-Saqao briefly overthrew the government and became
emir.
    * Afghan Civil War (1978-present):
          o Soviet war in Afghanistan (1979-1989) – Soviet involvement
          o Afghan Civil War (1989-1992) – Government collapse
          o Afghan Civil War (1992-1996) – Anarchy
          o Afghan Civil War (1996-2001) – Taliban period
          o War in Afghanistan (2001–present) – NATO involvement
                + Timeline of the War in Afghanistan (2001-present)