2000:  In each major party, the Presidential nomination will go to
someone other than the current front-runner.  The Democratic candidate
will win.

House:  Democratic majority.
Senate:  Very thin Democratic majority.

2002:  Republicans do well in Congressional elections.  Columnists and
commentators predict an irresistable conservative Wave of the Future.

2004:  President re-elected.  Columnists and commentators say that
conservatives are in the dustbin of history.

2008:  Republican Presidential candidate wins.

Dan Goodman
dsg…@visi.com
http://www.visi.com/~dsgood/index.html
Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.

Speedbyrd® wrote in message
>>"You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word
>>alone"

>>      —- Al Capone

>Where would we be without Bill Clinton to trash at every turn?  We
>might actually have to look are our shortcomings.

>The tagline from the above posting says a lot and is part of the
>reason for my stance against free and easy gun ownership.

>     The Speedbyrd® :>

Al Capone was wrong. A criminal need not say anything and have only a gun
and still get much further, especially if his victim is unarmed. Remember,
he was a criminal with a gun(s).

Maybe if you were just against criminals posessing guns, you may get further
with your agenda. Trying to ban guns completely will only create more
criminals whos’ only crime is owning a gun.

Note: The tagline from the above posting says a lot and is part of the
reason for my stance against free and easy speech.

In October 1998, inmates and a guard reported to Amnesty International that
sexual abuse of female inmates by staff continues to occur. In November
1998, the Detroit City Council adopted a resolution calling on the Governor
"to end all prison practices which allow, promote and enforce violence
against women in Michigan state prisons including custodial sexual abuse and
harassment."

That (above) is in respect of a query from Mr Morris regarding the
Municipality that wanted the sex abuse to end. It is not often
municipalities do that sort of thing. It is not often US Presidents feel so
pwerless with their existing agencies that they invite in the United Nations
to investigate endemic sex abuse.
—
Totschläger

ICAR <dublin.i…@virgin.net> wrote:

 -
 -Henrietta K. Thomas wrote:
 ->
 ->  o…@ogoense.net (Rebecca Ore) wrote:
 ->
 ->>Henrietta K. Thomas <usad…@wwa.com> wrote:
 ->>>
 ->>>
 ->>>Most of this was in email, Steve.  I did not give any *public* support
 ->>>to Jay’s rmgroup message.  

  You certainly lent private support to what was both unprofessional
and dishonest.

  Here is the message you thought appropriate from Mr. Denebeim.
I would say any news admin that would attend to such a thing
has no claim to professionalism.

  It is also factually incorrect as you are now well aware–perhaps
next time you’ll read the very long discussion.  And most importantly
you claimed my control message wasn’t properly formatted and
it was.  Aside from the fact that it was discussed at length
in alt.config with very mixed opinions discussion in alt.config
is by no means a requirement of alt newsgroup creation and
suggesting such a notion is contrary to the very nature of
the alt hierarchy.

  Your concern was clearly one of regional protectionism–
which again is unprofessional as is the heavy handed way
you’ve been threatening posters there.  They would would
be well advised to create a separate alt.us.* hierarchy
for those who wish to welcome discussion of all nations.

  And again–your approval or disapproval is and should
be quite irrelevant to anothers creation of an alt group.

  Now this is the control message you lent your support to:

" In control.rmgroup, on Sat, 08 May 1999 20:04:50 -0000,  
"Jay Denebeim <altcon…@deepthot.aurora.co.us> wrote:

"
"This rmgroup is being issued for the following reasons:
"
"* Problems raised in alt.config unresolved
"* No Charter
"* No Traffic Rate Measurement
"* Does not meet current standards for alt group creation
"* Incorrect hierarchy placement
"* Duplicate Newsgroup
"
"Duplicates ne.general which speedbump is well aware of.  
"Creates an orphan hierarchy."

  Note the personal slur in the control message aside from
the downright dishonset information contained in the
control message as well as the rather bizaare assumption
that the ne.* hierarchy is for Boston (ne.* stand for
New England–includes all of Massachusetts, all of
New Hampsire, and 4 other states) which was just
plain irrational and you know that.

 ->>>All I did was remove alt.boston.unmoderated
 ->>>from the newsgroup line of a followup because

  That’s fine with me.

 ->>>And I told you privately that I thought Jay’s objections were valid.  
 ->>>There was nothing "unprofessional" about it.

  If you’ll reread the above control message and can repeat the
what you just said you’re not only unprofessional but certainly
not capable of handling the us.* hierachy–seriously.

 -> Who died and put you in charge of my life?
 -> I don’t have to listen to you, and I don’t take orders from anybody.
 -> Save yourself some time and energy.  Don’t email me anymore.
 -> I am a lost cause as far as you’re concerned, and I refuse to play
 -> your games.

  Yes–trouble is as I understand it that Henrietta has been threatening
others connectivity with complaints to abuse departments and that’s
not soemthing to be taken lightly–she’s a real serious over the edge
problem at the moment.

 -Sadly there are people seemingly playing *your* games. One of your
 -loyal foot soldiers I think sent us the following. He is supporting you 100
 -percent if you recall and you were strangely enough very ambivalent
 -about condemning mass mailings to us. You couldn’t say "I don’t support
 -this at all". That is not the kind of lead …

  As I said she is both unprofessional and dishonest.  The below quoted
message is a threat of email spam.

 -To be off topic with you it is merely required for one to either
 -criticize the USA or be a little foreign and then you start complaining
 -without legitimate cause or mandate or authority to ISPs and sending
 -emails ORDERING people from the hierarchy. You have caused us a lot of
 -problems I hope you are happy. Since when did you become moderator? Did
 -you appoint yourself? Is it a case of a Censorious Caesarette? How

  She can be disempowered if need be.  And an alternative alt.us.*
hierarchy is perhaps something to seriously consider if this control
nonsense, the unprofessionalism, the threats of email spam, etc.
continue.

 -sweet. When are you forming a Consilium Principis? A privy council is a
 -must for a personage of your rank. You cleansed your hierarchy of the
 -loathsome foreign filth etcetera. Give our regards to your foot
 -soldiers.

  I would appreciate a cc on an ongoing problem in us.* when
you encounter one.

                           Steve
                           news.admin.censorship

 -
 ->go away, you boring twit

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 ->—–Original Message—–
 ->From: ICAR <dublin.i…@virgin.net>
 ->Newsgroups: alt.prisons,us.politics
 ->Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 11:12 PM
 ->Subject: Re: Gang sophisication and politi
 -
 -That’s right. and every time you post the same mindless crap the
 -moderator
 -has requested you stop posting you will receive, fre of charge, one
 -email
 -containing that post.

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>This is a post from World Net Daily concerning Martial Law
>and the Posse Comitatus Act. It was researched by two
>lawyers hired by Larry Pratt, Gun Owners of America fame.
>Disturbing stuff.
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>Subject: [SurvivalRing] Re: [Y2k-Survival] martial law
>Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:54:04 EDT
>From: Rafl…@aol.com
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>The SurvivalRing Mail List – http://members.aol.com/rafleet/survivalring.htm

>>  FRIDAY
>>  MAY 21
>>  1999

>>   THE IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY
>>  Clinton and ‘martial law’
>>  Posse Comitatus Act no check on White House power, attorneys
>>  claim

>>  By Sarah Foster
>>  © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

>>  President Clinton doesn’t need to sign an executive order to
>>  start a full-scale gun grab. He doesn’t need to declare
>>  martial law if he wants to use the armed forces to deal with
>>  public unrest. And if he figures a state government isn’t
>>  doing all it should to enforce some federal law that nobody
>>  likes, he can use federal troops to make certain that the
>>  law is complied with — even if the governor and everyone
>>  living in the state are adamantly opposed to it.
>>  He can do all these things on his own, without seeking
>>  advice or approval from Congress.

>>  Not even the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, which Congress
>>  intended as a shield to protect citizens from the military,
>>  places any significant limitations on presidential power.

>>  That’s what Virginia attorneys William Olson and Alan Woll
>>  discovered when they looked into the matter for Gun Owners
>>  of America, a Washington-based lobbying organization
>>  dedicated to defending the Second Amendment.

>>  Last December Olson and Woll published an analysis on
>>  "Executive Orders and National Emergencies: Presidential
>>  Power Grab Nearly Unchecked," which was featured in
>>  WorldNetDaily. This earlier work prompted Larry Pratt,
>>  president and executive director of GOA, to commission the
>>  attorneys to examine a related issue.

>>  "I asked them to look at all the executive orders and see if
>>  there was a nexus with guns; some kind of hook that would
>>  allow the government to get a hook on our trigger guards, so
>>  our guns can be pulled from our hands through some power
>>  they had delegated to themselves by executive order," Pratt
>>  recalled in a telephone interview.

>>  Though unable to find a direct reference that would permit
>>  gun confiscation, "What they discovered was worse," said
>>  Pratt. "The president doesn’t have to sign an executive
>>  order. He already has the power to go after our guns."

>>  The Olson-Woll report entitled "Presidential Powers to Use
>>  the U.S. Armed Forces to control Potential Civilian
>>  Disturbances," developed naturally from their earlier
>>  research, but it is written as though it were a memo to the
>>  president, from a "Counsel’s Office," in response to a White
>>  House request for a legal opinion about how far the
>>  president can go in using the military for law enforcement
>>  purposes in the event of a Y2K or other crisis: Would a
>>  declaration of martial law be necessary to call out the
>>  military? What about the Posse Comitatus Act?

>>  "This memorandum is fictional but accurately depicts the
>>  broad powers assumed and exercised by presidents to utilize
>>  U.S. military forces to regulate civilian activity," the
>>  authors state in a disclaimer.

>>  "We wrote it that way to draw peoples’ attention to the
>>  issues," Olson explained by telephone. "We hoped that using
>>  this format to present the information would make it more
>>  real. A lot of what we talk about sounds like history, but
>>  it’s quite current, and one could imagine the president
>>  asking for advice on this very issue."

>>  The answers to the hypothetical questions came as a
>>  "complete surprise" to Larry Pratt and to the authors
>>  themselves. "We had no idea that his powers were so broad,"
>>  said Olson. "The fact that there are these vast standby
>>  statutory powers is shocking. I’m afraid Congress keeps
>>  passing the laws that grant this power and never stands back
>>  and asks, ‘What have we done?’ It’s time that they start
>>  looking and asking."

>>  The statutes referred to are found in Title 10 of the U.S.
>>  Code, which deals with the Armed Forces. Through them the
>>  president is given authority to intervene with military
>>  force in a state’s domestic disputes, upon request from the
>>  state legislature or governor — or without it. Some
>>  examples cited by Olson and Woll:

>>  Title 10, U.S. Code, Section 331: Whenever there is an
>>  insurrection in any State against its government, the
>>  President may, upon the request of its legislature or its
>>  governor … use such of the armed forces, as he considers
>>  necessary to suppress the insurrection.

>>  Title 10, U.S. Code, Section 332: Whenever the President
>>  considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or
>>  assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the
>>  United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of
>>  the United States in any State or Territory … he may call
>>  into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and
>>  use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to
>>  enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.

>>  Title 10, U.S. Code, Section 333: The President, by using
>>  the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by other means,
>>  shall take such measures as he considers necessary to
>>  suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence,
>>  unlawful combination or conspiracy, if it hinders the
>>  execution of the laws of that State, and of the United
>>  States within the State … or opposes or obstructs the
>>  execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the
>>  course of justice under those laws …

>>  Olson and Woll discovered that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled
>>  in 1863 that the president can unilaterally decide whether
>>  an insurrection is in effect and determine how much force is
>>  necessary to suppress it. He can "brand as belligerents the
>>  inhabitants of any area in general insurrection."

>>  Equally shocking, in Olson’s view, as the fact that the
>>  president can use the military against civilians, is the
>>  fact that former presidents have done so on "many
>>  occasions" — none of them declaring martial law.

>>  For example, in 1914 President Woodrow Wilson deployed
>>  federal troops in Colorado to suppress a labor dispute.
>>  Olson-Wolls point out that Wilson ordered the U.S. Army to
>>  disarm American citizens — including state and local
>>  officials, sheriffs, the police and the National Guard; to
>>  arrest American citizens; to monitor the state judicial
>>  process and re-arrest (and hold in military custody) persons
>>  released by the state courts; and to deny writs of habeas
>>  corpus issued by state courts.

>>  Earlier, in South Carolina in 1871, without declaring
>>  martial law, President Grant sent troops into nine counties
>>  of South Carolina to enforce a proclamation commanding the
>>  residents to give up their arms and ammunition.

>>  Between 1807 and 1925, federal troops were used more than
>>  100 times to quell domestic disturbances — sometimes the
>>  presence of the troops alone was enough to discourage the
>>  participants.

>>  "Look at the history," Olson exclaimed. "None of what’s
>>  happening is new. Could you ever imagine that the President
>>  of the United States could order the Army to disarm
>>  sheriffs, disarm police, and disarm the National Guard?
>>  Isn’t that beyond what you’d ever dream?

>>  "But it has happened. It’s the fact that this has happened
>>  that should cause people to take this issue seriously."

>>  But doesn’t the Posse Comitatus Act provide restrictions
>>  against the use of the military? This is the act that
>>  prohibits the Army or Air force from acting as a posse
>>  comitatus — "the population of a county the sheriff may
>>  summon to assist him in certain cases."

>>  "No one should ever think the Posse Comitatus Act is any
>>  check whatsoever on the ability of the federal government to
>>  employ military might against civilians," said Olson.

>>  "We were surprised at how weak the Posse Comitatus Act is,"
>>  he continued. "There have been no prosecutions ever, and it
>>  doesn’t apply to any branch of the armed forces except the
>>  Army and the Air Force. It doesn’t have any implementing
>>  regulations, yet it has a huge exception — that deployment
>>  of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus is a crime,
>>  ’except in cases and under circumstances expressly
>>  authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress.’

>>  "That ‘Constitution or Act of Congress’ exception is so
>>  broad you can drive a truck through," Olson remarked.

>>  "The final thing that surprised us was that that the
>>  military doesn’t need an order from the president to have
>>  control over civilians," Olson said. "I had always thought
>>  only the president could declare martial law, but apparently
>>  not. Apparently any commander can do it, can suspend all
>>  civil rights."

>>  Larry Pratt considers this last the most egregious of all
>>  the Olson-Woll findings.

>>  "Military commanders can act on the basis that there is an
>>  emergency," said Pratt. "They don’t have to wait until
>>  martial law is declared. The powers that they have in their
>>  hands are tremendous.

>>  "People can’t expect President Clinton to sit there in front
>>  of a camera and say, ‘Tonight I have declared martial law,’"
>>  Pratt said. "You’ll just find out about it when you try and
>>  get on the main highway and there’s a humvee with a soldier
>>  who says, ‘Turn back.’ And when you ask why, he puts his gun
>>  into ready position and says, ‘I’m only following orders.
>>  Please turn back.’

>>  "You can challenge that. You can say they — the commander
>>  or the soldier — have no constitutional authority for this,
>>  and you may be correct. But you will be arguing on the wrong
>>  side of a barbed wire fence. They can simply do it. It will
>>  not be debated.

>>  "It’s wonderful," Pratt noted, ironically. "It goes beyond
>>  what [White House spokesperson] Paul Begala said about
>>  executive orders: You know, ‘Stroke of a pen. Law of the
>>  land. Kinda cool.’ Martial law could be initiated by one
>>  commander sending an e-mail to a guy at the base to muster
>>  his troops.

>>  "Stroke of a keyboard, martial law. Kinda cool," Pratt said.

>>  Regards,

>>  Anthony

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Ellis Smith wrote:

> If anyone thinks that the North American genocide is over, think again.
> As we speak the state of North Dakota is attempting to "resettle"
> the population so they can usurp 200,000 acres of land.  They
> began by turning the power off for christmas, shutting down the
> phones, the banks and since they managed to survive the winter
> now are intercepting food shipments both commericial and
> Govt. surplus’s.

> Arizona has been waging war on 2k women, children and elderly
> in their attempt to steal their land in yet another "resettlement program".
> The U.N. investigated and found "the religous and legal rights of the
> Dineh Navajo have been violated".  They’ve now resorted to stealing
> their cattle and livestock and charging "impound fee’s" that far outweigh
> the actual value.

> Starvation, shooting, "disapearing" in addition to the usual methods of
> resettlement like evictions (forced marches) and swindling (this land
> is my land, this land is my land) are common place in North America
> TODAY.  Its not history, its genocide, its real and its happening now.
> Visit the Ameri-advocate site and read the UN report in addition to
> other reports live from the domestic war zone.
> http://members.tripod.com/~ellis_smith/ameri-advocate.html

–
– Outlaw Frog Raper –

news:alt.thebird.copwatch
news:alt.law-enforcement
news:nyc.general

Atlanta cop gets year for crash that killed 2
                      By Joe Earle, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

                      An Atlanta police officer began serving 12
                      months in jail Friday, moments after he
                      was convicted of vehicular homicide in a
                      traffic accident that killed two boys on his
                      youth basketball team.

Alan Richards, 35, must spend a year on probation after completing his
jail term, Clayton County State Court Judge Harold Benefield ordered
when
sentencing Richards Friday.

A six-member jury convicted Richards of two counts of second-degree
vehicular homicide in the deaths of his 13-year-old cousin, Edjuan
Richards, and of Arve Black, 11. The two and five other boys on
Richards’
youth team, the Griffin Grasshoppers, were passengers in his
sport-utility
vehicle when Richards ran a red light at the intersection of Tara
Boulevard
and Ga. 54 and his Isuzu Rodeo collided with a pickup truck and rolled
over.

"This man was the hero of these two dead boys," the judge said. "They
believed to their bones that Mr. Richards would protect them. They were
dead wrong. You see, Mr. Richards had a red light to beat."

Benefield said as many people die in traffic accidents each year as died
during the Vietnam War. "If the killings in our schools approached the
(number of) killings on our highways," he said, "we would all be looking
for
another planet."

At the time of the accident, Richards was on probation in Clayton County
for speeding. That probation was revoked and Richards served 60 days in
jail. Solicitor Keith Martin told the judge Friday that Richards had
earlier
convictions for speeding, running a stop sign and other traffic
offenses.

Arnold Campbell, Arve Black’s father, said the conviction Friday and
Richards’ jail term offered little comfort after the death of his only
son. "I
can understand what his family is feeling for him, but that doesn’t
compare
to my loss," Campbell said.

During his trial, Richards took the stand and tearfully recalled the
accident. But Campbell said Richards should have taken better care of
the
boys in his vehicle. None wore a seat belt at the time of the accident.
"I
don’t doubt Mr. Richards is a good guy," Campbell said. "This is about
the
law."

Now that the trial is concluded, Atlanta police internal affairs
investigators
are preparing a report on the case for Police Chief Beverly Harvard, who
will decide whether to fire Richards, a department spokesman said Friday

- Outlaw Frog Raper –

news:alt.thebird.copwatch
news:alt.law-enforcement
news:nyc.general

May 21, 1999

                Foreman of jury that cleared officer
                criticizes state law

                LAS VEGAS (AP) – The foreman of a coroner’s
                inquest jury that cleared a Las Vegas Metropolitan
                Police officer in a fatal shooting says the state law
                needs to be changed.

                Mark LePage, 47, said the jury had no option but to
                clear officer Bruce Gentner in the shooting of John
                Perrin. LePage said Gentner went too far when he
                shot Perrin on April 12 at an intersection on the city’s
                southeast side.

                LePage said he tried to attach to the jury’s verdict a
                statement advising police not to return the officer to
the
                streets.

                However, when applying state law, the jury was unable
                to rule the homicide anything other than justifiable, he
                said.

                "We all came to the conclusion that we couldn’t convict
                him, but we all had reservations about what had
                happened," LePage said.

                He said the state law needs to be changed, so officers
                cannot shoot suspects until they are certain the
                individual poses a threat to their safety.

                Under the law that the jury considered in rendering its
                verdict, a homicide is justifiable if an officer or
citizen
                perceives that their life is in danger during a
                confrontation. That standard applies even if the
                deceased later proves to be unarmed.

                "The way the system is now, the cop always walks,"
                said LePage. "I think you need to change the law
                because it is wrong."

                An officer should not shoot until a weapon is visible
                and is brandished, he said.

                Clark County Sheriff Jerry Keller said Thursday that
                changing the definition of justifiable homicide was not
                realistic given the nature of police work and the
                split-second decisions officers have to make every
                day.

                A suspect’s actions are what leads an officer to use
                deadly force, and raising the legal standard to allow
                prosecution of officers when they kill a person
                mistakenly thought to be armed would be unfair, he
                said.

                "These ideas come from people who have never been
                in that type of situation," Keller said.

                He said the verdict in the Gentner case was a just one.

                Gentner stopped Perrin because the officer suspected
                he had engaged in a drug deal. Gentner said he
                repeatedly ordered Perrin to put his hands up, but
                Perrin ignored the command.

                Perrin then made a movement with his hand to his
                waistband, and Gentner, thinking the man was
                reaching for a gun, fired 14 shots.

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news:alt.thebird.copwatch
news:alt.law-enforcement
news:nyc.general

Jurors convict former policeman
                  By Donna Fielder
                  Denton
                  Record-Chronicle
                  Staff Writer

                  Jurors found a former
                  Lake Dallas police
                  officer guilty in a family
                  violence trial this week,
                  and a judge sentenced
                  him to a total 30 years
                  in prison.

                  Phillip Robertson, 44,
                  had been fired from the
                  Lake Dallas
                  department and was
                  estranged
                  from his wife, Hickory
                  Creek Police Sgt.
                  Robin Robertson,
                  when he called her
                  from a bar Sept. 7,
                  1998, and threatened
                  to kill her.

                  He kicked in the door
                  of her Krugerville home
                  about 3 a.m. and
                  attacked her, and the
                  victim, now Sgt. Robin
                  Cordray, shot him in
                  the leg, according to
                  testimony in 158th
                  District Court.

                  Sgt. Cordray had
                  obtained a protective
                  order after enduring
                  physical and sexual
                  abuse and
                  retaliation, said Cary
                  Piel, who prosecutes
                  family violence cases
                  for the Denton County
                  District Attorney’s
                  Office.

                  "He called her from a
                  bar, drunk, and said
                  `I’m going to come
                  over and kill you,’ Mr.
                  Piel said. "An hour
                  later, he showed up
                  and kicked in the front
                  door. By that time she
                  had picked up her
                  service weapon and
                  pointed it at him. He
                  backed her down a
                  hallway into a bedroom
                  and against a back
                  wall."

                  Sgt. Cordray
                  deliberately moved the
                  9 mm pistol’s aim from
                  his chest and shot Mr.
                  Robertson
                  in the leg, Mr. Piel said.
                  Mr. Robertson then
                  began to strangle her,
                  Mr. Piel said.

                                     After the threatening
                                     telephone call, Sgt. Cordray
                                     called for help from the
                                     Denton County Sheriff’s
                                     Office, since the call was a
                                     violation of the protective
                                     order. Deputy Doug Lee
                                     responded and took a
                                     report about the threat.

                                     Seconds after the deputy
                                     drove away, Mr. Robertson
                                     appeared at the door and
                                     broke it in. The deputy
                                     drove past again and saw
                                     the door broken in. He
                                     found the two struggling,
                                     with Mr. Robertson’s hands
                                     around the victim’s neck,
                                     according to testimony.

                                     Mr. Robertson, who was a
                                     Pelican Bay reserve officer
                                     at the time of the crime,
                                     surrendered to the deputy
                                     without a fight. No charges
                                     were pressed against the
                                     woman, because she acted
                                     in self-defense. He has been
                                     free on $30,000 bail.

                                     Jurors took 35 minutes to
                                     find him guilty on the two
                                     charges.

                                     Judge Phillip Vick assessed
                                     10 years for the protective
                                     order violation and 20 years
                                     for
                                     burglary with intent to
                                     commit another crime …
                                     murder, a first-degree
                                     felony.

                                     Prosecutors brought two
                                     former wives and a former
                                     girlfriend, who each testified
                                     she was physically abused
                                     during her relationship with
                                     Mr. Robertson.

                                     "He had done those other
                                     crimes while he was a cop
                                     at other agencies," Mr. Piel
                                     said. "He had always
                                     resigned under pressure,
                                     but as a result of that he
                                     didn’t have a criminal
                                     record. I don’t believe that
                                     could happen today."

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OMI report: Shooting was not justified

                  Parents say cop should be tried

                  Post staff report

To the parents of Michael Carpenter, a city
investigation that concludes a policeman was not
justified in fatally shooting their son means the officer
should be tried for murder.

To Fraternal Order of Police President Keith
Fangman, the report means Cincinnati City Manager
John Shirey is up to ”political monkey business” to
enhance his standing with City Council.

To attorney Ken Lawson, the report means he has
more material for a federal civil rights lawsuit against
the police that seeks to change the way officers are
trained.

The city’s Office of Municipal Investigations
recommended Wednesday that Officer Brent
McCurley be disciplined for the March 19 death of
Carpenter.

McCurley, 27, and Officer Michael Miller II, 24, had
stopped Carpenter, 30, of Mount Airy, for driving with
expired tags.

The officers said Carpenter, who did not have a gun,
was shot after he refused to get out of the car, then
dragged Miller as he leaned into the car and finally
attempted to back the auto into McCurley.

The report states that McCurley fired nine shots, with
three of them hitting Carpenter. Miller, whose lone shot
did not hit Carpenter, should not be disciplined, the
report recommended. Miller told investigators he only
fired after hearing other gunshots, mistakenly believing
McCurley’s shots were being fired by Carpenter.

OMI’s report concluded that Carpenter’s car wasn’t in
reverse gear, but had lurched forward a few feet as
Carpenter’s foot slipped off the brake. The report also
states that McCurley opened fire while Miller was still
leaning in the car and that McCurley was 17 to 26 feet
from the auto and not in danger of being run over.

‘OMI finds that an officer using reasonable judgment
would not have fired while another officer was inside a
car struggling with a suspect due to the chance of
hitting the other officer,” the report said. ”OMI
believes that Officer McCurley should have been
certain that Mr. Carpenter had a weapon before he
fired his weapon.

‘OMI believes that Officer McCurley should have
been certain that Mr. Carpenter’s car was in reverse
before he fired his weapon. OMI believes that a
reasonable officer would have been certain that Mr.
Carpenter’s vehicle was backing toward him before
firing his weapon.”

Carpenter’s parents said they considered their son a
homicide victim.

‘I feel it was murder,” said Fred Carpenter. ”If he
McCurley) murdered somebody, he should be
punished. If you take someone’s life, you’re supposed
to go to prison.”

”We want justice,” said Elsie Carpenter. ”I think he
(McCurley) should go through the justice system like
everyone else. Michael didn’t have a weapon. I just
couldn’t understand why they would kill him.”

Asked if she felt her son did anything wrong, Mrs.
Carpenter replied, ”No, I don’t. I don’t think he did
 anything wrong.”

Carpenter, who had an arrest record and was wanted
on two domestic violence charges, had small amounts
of cocaine and marijuana in his system, according to a
coroner’s report.

Investigations into the shooting by police and the
Hamilton County Prosecutor’s Office have not been
completed yet. Fangman, the FOP president, said the
OMI report shouldn’t have been released until reports
from the other probes had been released.

Fangman mainly criticized Shirey. The city manager
and the FOP have been feuding in recent weeks, with
the FOP taking a ”no confidence” vote in Shirey.

”OMI reports to one person only – John Shirey,” said
Fangman. ”This report has Shirey’s fingerprints all over
it. The report was edited by Mr. Shirey. So, we look
 at the report with suspicion.”

Lawson, who has filed a civil rights lawsuit against city
police on behalf of the Carpenter family, welcomed the
OMI report.

”It tells us a lot more about what the officers said that
night,” said Lawson. ”There’s a lot of contradictions
between what the officers said and what witnesses
said.” He added: ”Police training is faulty when you
stop someone for a traffic violation and pull out a gun
and start shooting. If the chief of police wants to
correct some things, this report gives him a chance.”

                            Publication date: 05-20-99
– Outlaw Frog Raper –

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