"Dusty Rhodes" <te…@CUTITOUTtexas.net> wrote in message

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> "Bill Mech" <wm…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> > There is NO evidence that any of these calls were illegal, immoral, un
> > ethical or contrary to his statement recusing himself from the legal
> > decisions on the election.

> Um, wrong.

> re.cuse \ri-"kyuz\ re.cused re.cus.ing [ME, to refuse, fr. MF recuser, fr.
L
> recusare] (1949)
> verb transitive
> : to disqualify (oneself) as judge in a particular case; broadly : to
remove
> (oneself) from participation to avoid a conflict of interest
> re.cus.al \-"kyu-zel\ noun

> (C)1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated.  All
rights
> reserved.

> Cheers,

> Dusty

> > —
> > Bill Mech
> > wm…@att.net
> > For info on politics, taxes, education etc., go to
> > http://home.att.net/~wmech

> > Gandalf Grey <gandalfg…@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > The LA Times

> > > THE NATION

> > > Jeb Bush’s Recount Role Examined

> > > Election: Though he recused himself, Gov. Bush and his staff made
calls
> to
> > > those involved in the election dispute.

> > > LISA GETTER
> > > TIMES STAFF WRITER

> > > July 14 2001

> > > WASHINGTON — When it became clear that the disputed Florida election
> > could
> > > deliver the White House to his brother, Gov. Jeb Bush immediately
> recused
> > > himself from any official role in the recount, promising to avoid even
> the
> > > "slightest appearance of a conflict of interest."

> > > He directed his staff to spend their time on government business and
> > pledged
> > > to do the same. Vowing that no political work would be done on the
> > > taxpayers’ dime, six staffers took unpaid leaves to volunteer on the
> > > recount.

> > > Despite that hands-off policy, the Florida governor’s office in
> > Tallahassee
> > > made 95 telephone calls to the George W. Bush presidential campaign,
its
> > > advisors, lawyers and staffers during the 36-day recount period,
records
> > > show. At least 10 calls came from an office number used primarily by
Jeb
> > > Bush, including one call to a private line in George W. Bush’s
> > gubernatorial
> > > office in Austin. Another call from Jeb Bush’s number went to Karl
Rove,
> > his
> > > brother’s campaign strategist. One went to the Texas governor’s chief
of
> > > staff, Clay Johnson. Another went to Michigan Gov. John Engler, who
soon
> > > flew to Florida to monitor the ballot recount in Broward County.
> > Additional
> > > calls were logged to cell phones assigned to Bush campaign staffers.

> > > In an e-mail this week to The Times, Jeb Bush said he could not recall
> the
> > > purpose of the calls. "I have no clue what these calls were about," he
> > > wrote.

> > > "They most likely were return phone calls," Bush added. "In the
> > alternative,
> > > they could have been my assistant passing on a request for an
invitation
> > to
> > > speak or an autographed picture. They might have been answering a
> request
> > on
> > > where to eat in Tallahassee for the hoards [sic] of Austin folks that
> made
> > > their way here. They could have been for many reasons. I don’t
> remember."

> > > The exact nature and extent of Jeb Bush’s involvement in the Florida
> > recount
> > > effort remains unclear, though there is no evidence to suggest he did
> > > anything improper. The governor, who served as state chairman for his
> > > brother’s presidential campaign, has refused all interview requests to
> > > discuss his role.

> > > "As he said repeatedly, while he recused himself from any involvement
in
> > > what happened after Nov. 7, he did not recuse himself from his role as
a
> > > brother," said Katie Baur, Bush’s communications director.

> > > But some supporters of former Democratic nominee Al Gore have
questioned
> > > whether Jeb Bush used his position to influence events behind the
scenes
> > > after the election. It now appears he was more involved than he has
> > publicly
> > > acknowledged.

> > > The governor visited the state GOP headquarters in Tallahassee that
> > > functioned as the Bush campaign command center for the recount at
least
> > > once, for example. He also dialed into at least one conference call
with
> > > campaign operatives, aides said. And days after the recount ended, he
> > hired
> > > Kathleen Shanahan, the Bush-Cheney deputy campaign manager, as his
chief
> > of
> > > staff in Tallahassee.

> > > "I talked to him every few days," said Al Cardenas, chairman of the
> > Florida
> > > Republican Party. Although Cardenas said the governor "took himself
out
> of
> > > the strategy end of things," he said Bush was kept abreast of
> developments
> > > in each of the state’s 67 counties and given a "heads up on
litigation."

> > > Randy Enwright, a political consultant to the George W. Bush campaign
in
> > > Florida, said he spoke to Jeb Bush "a couple of times" during the
> recount
> > > period but said he did not recall the substance of the conversations.
> "He
> > > was trying to be as objective and fair as possible," Enwright said.
"But
> > he
> > > obviously cared about getting his brother elected."

> > > In an effort to better understand Jeb Bush’s role, The Times filed a
> > public
> > > records request to obtain his personal cell phone records, the
visitors’
> > log
> > > to his mansion, his daily calendar and his phone messages during the
> > > recount.

> > > The governor’s staff contends no such records were kept, but they
> provided
> > > more than 200 pages of bills from November and December detailing
> > > long-distance phone calls made from the governor’s office.

> > > "Let’s put this in perspective," Baur said. "The governor’s office on
> > > average makes nearly 15,000 to 20,000 calls a month, and if there were
> any
> > > personal or political calls made during that surreal,
> once-in-a-lifetime,
> > > insane couple of months, they were reimbursed."

> > > Jeb Bush reimbursed the state treasury a total of $5.11 after The
Times
> > > sought access to his records. His chief of staff similarly wrote a
check
> > for
> > > $14.25. One top aide paid $12. Another sent $10. Neither Bush nor his
> > aides
> > > provided any documentation to explain how many or which calls were not
> > state
> > > business.

> > > The phone records show 34 calls from the governor’s office to the Bush
> for
> > > President campaign office in Miami. Six were made Nov. 22, the day the
> > > Miami-Dade canvassing board abruptly abandoned its manual recount.

> > > The governor’s office also made a call that day to the Miami law firm
> that
> > > employed Miguel De Grandy, who represented the Bush campaign before
the
> > > canvassing board. De Grandy did not return phone calls from The Times.

> > > An additional 25 calls were made to the Washington law firm then known
> as
> > > Cooper, Carvin & Rosenthal. Law firm partner Michael Carvin wrote
briefs
> > for
> > > the George W. Bush campaign during the recount and argued his case
> before
> > > the Florida Supreme Court. Several of the firm’s associates flew to
> > > Tallahassee to help.

> > > David Thompson, a lawyer whose extension was dialed 13 times, declined
> to
> > > detail the discussions. "I’m a little bit loath to comment on what I
was
> > > doing other than to say I am a Republican and I certainly supported
the
> > > governor" of Texas, he said.

> > > Thompson added that he recalled speaking with Jeb Bush’s legal staff
> about
> > a
> > > lawsuit that challenged a state law that bans convicted felons from
> > voting.
> > > James K. Green, a plaintiff’s lawyer in the case, said there wasn’t
much
> > > going on in the case "except for legal housekeeping matters" in
November
> > and
> > > early December. A brief was due in January.

> > > Bush’s legal staff also phoned the Washington offices of the Los
Angeles
> > law
> > > firm of Gibson, Dunn and Crutcher on Dec. 5, the day after the U.S.
> > Supreme
> > > Court sent the recount case back to Florida. Theodore B. Olson and a
> team
> > of
> > > lawyers from that firm worked on the case for the Bush campaign.

> > > Yet another call went to Bush campaign spokeswoman Mindy Tucker’s cell
> > > phone. Tucker said she kept notes during those hectic days but
couldn’t
> > find
> > > any reference to the call from Jeb Bush’s office.

> > > "I have looked through stuff, and I don’t remember what that phone
call
> > was,
> > > as many times as my phone rang at that point in time," she said.

> > > Jeb Bush communications director Baur said she might have called
Tucker.
> > "We
> > > were getting a lot of phone calls here that we might have been
referring
> > to
> > > the campaign." Baur said the staff was extra careful not to mix
politics
> > > with state business, especially once Bush recused himself.

> > > Bush’s recusal was noteworthy, in part, because other state officials
> were
> > > highly visible in both the campaign and the recount. Democrats sharply
> > > criticized Secretary of State Katherine Harris, a Bush partisan whose
> > office
> > > includes the Division of Elections, while Republicans lambasted Bob
> > > Butterworth, the state attorney general and a Gore activist.

> > > Jeb Bush was in a precarious political position, no matter what he
did.
> He
> > > had been criticized for not doing enough for his brother before the
> > election
> > > or for doing it wrong.

> > > On Nov. 2, for example, a Tallahassee judge threw out a lawsuit from
> > > Democrats that alleged Jeb Bush had misused the state seal when the
> > Florida
> > > GOP sent out a letter to Republican voters from the governor, urging
> them
> > to
> > > vote absentee from "the comfort of your home." Florida law at the time
> > > required voters to have a legitimate reason for not voting at the
polls.

> > > Then, when the election came down to his own state, Jeb Bush publicly
> > opted
> > > out of an official role.

> > > Although Jeb Bush’s gubernatorial staff was not bound by his recusal,
> > anyone
> > > who worked the recount took unpaid leave "as an abundance of caution,"
> > Baur
> > > declared in November. She said it would not be "appropriate to answer
> and
> > > respond to political questions" while working for the governor.

> > > Among the Jeb Bush aides who joined the ballot recount was Frank
> Jimenez,
> > > then his chief lawyer and now his deputy chief of staff.

> > > Bush is known as a hands-on, detail-oriented executive. Yet when
Jimenez
> > > spent Thanksgiving dinner with the governor and his family at the
> > governor’s
> > > mansion, Jeb Bush said they talked about his dog Marvin and cat Sugar,
> as
> > > well as the late Mother Teresa. Jimenez referred calls to Baur, who
said
> > > "politics never reared its ugly head" at the dinner.

> > > "We ate turkey with a chipolte [sic] laced stuffing that was awesome,"
> > Bush
> > > said. "We invited Frank since he could not go back to Miami to spend
> > > Thanksgiving to be with his family."

> > > The Florida governor also had close ties to many of the Republicans
who
> > > played key roles on his brother’s behalf.

> > > As governor, Jeb Bush had appointed four judges who served on
canvassing
> > > boards in the state. His former campaign advisor, J.M. "Mac"
> Stipanovitch,
> > > acted as consultant to Secretary of State Harris during the recount.
> Barry
> > > Richard, who represented him in the absentee ballot lawsuit, also
> > > represented the presidential campaign.

> > > In December, reporters cornered Jeb Bush in Tallahassee and asked if
he
> > was
> > > helping his brother. "I’m interested in this," he said at the time.
"I’m
> > not
> > > ignoring the fact that we have a historical occurrence in our midst
> here,
> > > but what I do most of the time that I’m awake and focused is serve as
> > > governor."

> > > What Were Calls About?

> > > Times staff writer Lisa Getter sent Florida Gov. Jeb Bush an e-mail
> > message
> > > asking about the 95 phone calls that were made from his office during
> the
> > > recount, including 10 from the line he used. The message also asked
> > whether
> > > the governor discussed the campaign with his legal counsel Frank
Jimenez
> > > during Thanksgiving dinner. Jiminez was working on the recount at the
> > time.

> > > Lisa, I have no clue what these calls were about. They most likely
were
> > > return phone calls. In the alternative, they could have been my
> assistant
> > > passing on a request for an invitation to speak or an autographed
> picture.
> > > They might have been answering a request on where to eat in
Tallahassee
> > for
> > > the hoards of Austin folks that made their way here. They could have
> been
> > > for many reasons. I cannot remember.

> > > *

> > > As it relates to Frank Jimenez and Thanksgiving, I can remember
vividly.
> > > Columba and I invited him to dinner with the Towey family (Jim, Mary,
> > Jaime,
> > > Joey, Max, John) and we talked about Marvin the Dog and Sugar the Cat
> who
> > > the Towey kids were fascinated with. We also talked about Mother
Teresa
> > who
> > > Jim worked with and he explained why she will become a Saint. We ate
> > turkey
> > > with a chipolte laced stuffing that was awesome.

> > > *

> > > We invited Frank since he could not go back to Miami to spend
> Thanksgiving
> > > to be with his family.

> > > *

> > > I hope this helps you out.

> > > *

> > > Jeb

> > > *This is a verbatim transcript of Bush’s e-mail. *

> > > Times staff writer Katie Howe and researcher Sunny Kaplan contributed
to
> > > this story.

> > > —
> > > "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just
> so
> > > long as I’m the dictator."  George W. Bush, Televised Newsconference
> > > December 18, 2000

"David Lentz" <Ro…@signfile.net> wrote in message

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> Harry Hope wrote:

> > http://www.mediachannel.org/views/whistleblower/palast.shtml

> > March 12, 2001

> > Silence Of The Lambs: The Election Story Never Told

> > By Greg Palast

> > Here’s how the president of the United States was elected:

> > In the months leading up to the November balloting, Florida Governor
> > Jeb Bush and his Secretary of State, Katherine Harris, ordered local
> > elections supervisors to purge 64,000 voters from voter lists on the
> > grounds that they were felons who were not entitled to vote in
> > Florida.

> Neither the Florida governor nor secretary of state have any such
> authority under Florida law.

> David

> —
> qyrag…@ebpurfgre.ee.pbz

"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg…@infectedmail.com> wrote in message

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> Democrats.com

> DEMOCRATS.COM EXCLUSIVE: Absentee Ballot Counting Fraud Found In Escambia
> County
> Paul Lukasiak

> An examination of data provided by the Miami Herald [1] that was collected
> during its examination of overvoted ballots provides compelling evidence
of
> fraud in the counting of absentee ballots in Escambia County. The data
shows
> that out of over 21,500 absentee ballots cast in Escambia County, not one
> voter overvoted their ballot by placing marks next to the names of only
two
> presidential candidates. However, 296 absentee voters placed three or more
> marks on their presidential ballot.

> The odds against this occurring naturally are vanishingly small. And when
> one considers that the Escambia County Canvassing Board manually
duplicated
> over 2,400 absentee ballots that were originally read by machine as
> overvotes and undervotes, the only conclusion is that the duplicate
ballots
> created in Escambia County did not reflect what was on the original
absentee
> ballots themselves.

> According to the Orlando Sentinel [2], over 10,000 ballots were duplicated
> in at least 26 Florida Counties because they were "damaged or defective"
> [3]. These included ballots that contained overvotes and undervotes where
> "voter intent" could be determined. All but a handful of these ballots
were
> absentee ballots duplicated in Republican dominated counties where votes
> cast at the polls were scanned and tabulated in individual precincts.

> Nearly one quarter of these duplicated ballots came from Escambia County
> alone, and those duplicated ballots represented over 11% of the absentee
> ballots cast in Escambia County [4]. And according to the Sentinel
> "Escambia’s ‘duplicating team’ of more than a dozen poll workers went to
> great lengths — working until 2 a.m. — to make sure their absentee
voters
> got a second or third look to have a mistaken ballot corrected and
> duplicated."

> The Sentinel also says that the duplication of ballots was done "with no
> outside scrutiny." This was an apparent violation of the law concerning
> "duplicated" ballots, which requires that when ballots are duplicated it
> must be done "in the presence of witnesses."

> Optically scanned ballots with distinct marks for two different candidates
> are not infrequent phenomena. They occur less frequently on absentee
ballots
> than on ballots cast at the polls (when there is no "voter protection" at
> the polls). Various factors can influence the rate at which such ballots
are
> cast, including the make-up of the absentee pool of voters, as well as
> ballot design. (The overvote rate is increased when the presidential race
is
> spread over two columns, with much of that increase caused by a greater
> number of ballots that are "double marked".)

> Yet even allowing for such factors, the complete lack of "double marked"
> overvotes in the Herald data from Escambia County’s absentee votes would
> have to be considered highly suspicious, and grounds for an investigation
> into ballot tampering. But the odds against this occurring in the absence
of
> fraud become utterly prohibitive when one considers that 296 absentee
> ballots were cast in which three or more marks were made. In most
counties,
> there are more "double marked" overvotes than overvotes with three or more
> marks. No other county even comes close to the results found in Escambia
> County.

> Other Florida counties also show results that warrant investigation. In
both
> Bay and Santa Rosa Counties, there are so few overvoted absentee ballots
> relative to the number of absentee ballots cast that ballot tampering is a
> very strong possibility in both counties. At least two other counties
> (Flagler and Seminole) have very low, but not quite unimaginable, overvote
> rates among their absentee ballots.

> But Escambia County is unique in that its absentee overvotes were
> exclusively from ballots that were marked three or more times. Escambia’s
> absentee overvote rate is not low enough to raise suspicion in and of
> itself. Rather, it is the absolute lack of any double-marked ballots among
> Escambia’s overvoted absentee ballots that indicates that fraud was
> committed in Escambia when the absentee ballots were hand counted and
> duplicated.

> For a detailed analysis, examine the accompanying tables.

> CONCLUSIONS

> If the Herald data is accurate, there is no logical explanation for what
> occurred in Escambia County other than ballot tampering. The complete lack
> of unrecovered double marked absentee ballots means that ballots that were
> received with two distinct marks for listed candidates must have been
> "duplicated" as ballots with a vote for a single candidate. Marks on the
> original ballots may or may not have been erased. Other forms of ballot
> tampering may also have occurred.

> Circumstantial evidence provides additional support for the conclusion of
> fraud. Although Escambia County had spent over $500,000 on precinct based
> scanning equipment that had the potential to provide voters with both
> overvote and undervote protection, Escambia County did not turn on voter
> protection at the polls. The reason cited for not doing so was to save
money
> on duplicate ballots, which cost 23 cents each. That may explain why
> overvote protection was turned off, but does not explain why undervote
> protection was turned off. There are no costs for duplicate ballots for
> undervoted ballots. The voter is simply handed back the ballot, and marks
it
> in a way that can be read by the scanning equipment.

> This "money saving" explanation also flies in the face of the decision to
> duplicate absentee ballots. It would have cost less than $750 to provide
> duplicate ballots at the polls to the 3201 people who overvoted in the
> Presidential race. Yet Escambia County spent over $550 on duplicating over
> 2400 absentee ballots (excluding any associated labor costs.)

> Ballot tampering in a federal election is both a federal and state
offense,
> and should be investigated by both the Federal Department of Justice, and
> the Florida Attorney General’s office. But the decision to turn off voter
> protection, and then to duplicate only absentee overvoted and undervoted
> ballots also represents discriminatory conduct on the part of Escambia
> County.

> According to the latest census, 24.1% of Escambia citizens are African
> American, and according to the state of Florida, 16.6% of Escambia’s
> registered voters were black. Blacks make up 30% of the registered
Democrats
> in Escambia (and only 2% of the Republicans) and 86% of black voters are
> registered as Democrats (6% are registered as Republicans.) In this
> election, there was an over 10 point difference in the Bush/Gore margin
> between poll cast and absentee votes, an indication that there was a
> significantly lower percentage of blacks among absentee voters than among
> voters who cast their votes at the polls. And there can be little doubt
that
> the Escambia County Canvassing Board was well aware of these facts.

> Ultimately, the decision by Escambia County to turn off voter protection
at
> the polls while duplicating overvoted and undervoted ballots must have
been
> a conscious effort to disenfranchise voters, a disproportionate number of
> black voters in Escambia County. As such, it is a violation of the Florida
> and U. S. Constitutions, as well as the Federal Civil Rights Act, and the
> Voting Rights Act.

> It is past time that the behavior of the Escambia County Elections Board
be
> subject to a full investigation, along with any number of other voting
> "irregularities" that were reported in Florida. It was a swamp down there
> and it’s time to look the alligators in the eye.

> FOOTNOTES

> [1] The conclusions in this article are based on the assumption of the
> accuracy of the Herald’s data. Requests for confirmation from the Herald
> regarding the accuracy of the data have met with no response to date. See
> explanatory notes that accompany the tables for a full explanation of the
> data.

> [2] David Damron and Roger Roy, "Mangled ballots resurrected", Orlando
> Sentinel, 5/7/2001

http://orlandosentinel.com/news/orl-asec-ballots050701.story?coll=orl…
> %2Dheadlines David Damron and Roger Roy, "2001 New system fumbles votes",
> Orlando Sentinel, 5/6/2001

http://orlandosentinel.com/news/orl-newsystem.story?coll=orl%2Dnews%2…

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> nes

> [3] Under the 1998 Florida Supreme Court decision in Beckstrom v Volusia
> County Canvassing Board, ballots containing votes that are unreadable by
> machines fall under the definition of "damaged or defective" as used in
> Florida Statute 101.5614 (5). However, it should be noted that the
> duplication of op-scan ballots is technically illegal; the law makes a
> distinction between "ballot cards" (used with punch card equipment) and
> "paper ballots" (used with optically scanned equipment), and permits
> duplication of ballot cards, but requires that the "paper ballots" be
> "manually at the counting center by the canvassing board."

> [4] In and of themselves these numbers are not indicative of fraud;
Escambia
> may have duplicated ballots for all races in which there were overvotes or
> undervotes where voter intent could be discerned, while other counties may
> only have duplicated ballots when there were overvotes or undervotes in
the
> Presidential race.

> —
> "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so
> long as I’m the dictator."  George W. Bush, Televised Newsconference
> December 18, 2000

Reuters reports that the Bush administration
is considering the possibility of legalizing
3 million Mexican illegals living in the USA.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010715/pl/bush_immigration_dc_2.html

Secretary of State Colin Powell and Attorney
General John Ashcroft are expected to present
a draft plan on border safety and immigration
to the White House in a few days.  They also
plan to meet with their Mexican counterparts
next month to further discuss these issues.

Supporters of the idea to legalize the Mexicans
argue that since they’re already here, we might
as well go ahead and give them what they want.
But opponents say that amounts to a reward for
breaking US immigration law.

We’ve heard these arguments before, and
I’m inclined to agree with the opponents.
It isn’t fair to legal aliens to keep
granting amnesties to people who broke
the law.  When we do this, we send the
wrong message to the entire world: "We
have laws in this country concerning
immigration, but they don’t apply to
people who can enter the country illegally
without being caught."

I’m not opposed to immigration, but I think
people who want to become Americans should
first show us that they would be law-abiding
citizens, and the best way to do that, IMO,
would be for them to enter the country legally
instead of sneaking across the border in the
dead of night.

Followups to us.issues.

Henrietta K. Thomas
Chicago, Illinois
h…@wwa.com

Gun crimes soaring despite ban brought in following Dunblane
By David Bamber, Home Affairs Correspondent
(Filed: 15/07/2001)

THE controversial ban on the ownership of handguns which was introduced
after the Dunblane massacre has failed to halt an increasing number of
crimes involving firearms.

An independent report, Illegal Firearms in the UK, to be published by the
Centre for Defence Studies at King’s College in London tomorrow, says that
handguns were used in 3,685 offences last year compared with 2,648 in 1997,
an increase of 40 per cent.

The figures will renew the debate about the effectiveness of the gun ban,
introduced by the last Conservative government and then extended to cover
all pistols by Labour after winning the 1997 general election.

Legislation banning larger-calibre pistols was proposed by the previous
Conservative government in response to the murder of 16 pupils and their
teacher by Thomas Hamilton at Dunblane primary school in March 1996.

But Labour broadened the scope of the Act to cover smaller handguns as well,
despite opposition from the sporting community. The law is now so
restrictive that British Olympic shooting competitors go abroad to practise
because their weapons are illegal in this country.

The new report, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance’s Campaign for
Shooting, was compiled by John Bryan, the former head of the firearms
intelligence unit at New Scotland Yard.

Mr Bryan said that his report cast doubt on the wisdom of the ban. "The
increase in the use of handguns by criminals since the implementation of the
1997 Act clearly raises important questions for policy-makers considering
further controls on legally-held firearms."

David Bredin, the director of the Campaign for Shooting, said: "It is
crystal clear from the research that the existing gun laws do not lead to
crime reduction and a safer place.

"Policy-makers have targeted the legitimate sporting and farming communities
with ever-tighter laws. The research clearly demonstrates that it is illegal
guns which are the real threat to public safety."

The number of crimes involving handguns has increased, mostly due to a flood
of illegally imported weapons and the use of those already in circulation
before 1997.

The report also shows a dramatic rise in firearms incidents in general, from
4,904 recorded incidents in 1997 to 6,843 last year. It reveals an increase
in crimes using shotguns, up from 580 in 1997 to 693 last year.

Offences involving air weapons show an even more startling rise, from 7,506
in 1997 to 10,103 last year. Mr Bryan compiled the statistics from Home
Office figures and information obtained by analysing individual forces’
crime totals.

A firearms amnesty at the time of the ban’s introduction resulted in 160,000
handguns being surrendered to the police at a cost of £90 million to the
taxpayer in compensation.

A Home Office spokesman said: "The Government did not believe that banning
handguns by itself would eradicate gun crime. We recognise there is a
continuing problem with the use of guns by criminals and that it has
increased over recent years.

"We are taking further measures against criminals who use guns and we
already have schemes in the pipeline to curtail illegal gun use. These
include a national register of legal guns, an intensified effort against
illegally smuggled weapons and a determination to punish criminals who use
guns."
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Europeans NOW don’t needs US-politics.
With your G.W. Butt we can make our own politics.
We take this historic chance!

They are the evil within Western Civilization — the barbarian cancer of
murder and greed and lies and they will kill all the rest before they will
let you stop them.

America was for a while the only land free of them  (our great frontier and
the great Atlantic Ocean made it possible for a tiny portion of mankind to
break free,  adopting the best liberal ideas of the Old World

But the evil grew up here afresh after the Civil War  – robber barons etc.

They have committed such crimes and stolen so much treasure for every nation
that they cannot permit detection and social justice

They will resort and are resorting to developing the strength of Asian
totalitarianism  and weakening us, there mortal enemies, the free people of
the world  who value human dignity and freedom and the general welfare and
the public good over their quest for control — so that they can murder us
or enslave us before we can bring them to justice and save our civilization

And you who hate Western Civilization, who think of it only as racism,
sexism,  homophobia, religious bigotry   —  but I despair of convincing
ou  –  you have been programmed by men bent on destroying you — by men who
calculated your parents divorce, by men who developed the AIDs virus, by men
who conquer by sowing division.

The three greatest armies in the world, China’s PLA, and the militaries of
Vietnam and North Korea have been built with the capital of the West —
which has been eaten away (capital withdrawn, institutions subverted)from
within by Trotskyite bankers, lawyers, educators, politicians, media
magnates ….

A few most-miserable souls are awake and see it all coming.  The trillions
of stolen treasure of the West  has bought everyone who is buyable and
deluded everyone who can be deluded.  No one will realize that the
starvation and drought and plagues are man made, that even the weather is
being controlled to work our undoing  –  we who share our autism in front
of these worthless cathode ray tubes, what vain puffed up chatty fruitless,
useless and juiceless things we are —  we punched some keys but never
talked to a person in the real arena "out there"  – we might as well have
been spinning jar lids.

I am no leader   —  I was conditioned to see myself as a failure, as were
we all since the 1960′s when the Zhou Enlai plan was implimented by the
Trotskyites in Hollywood who gave us the anti-heroes, the depressing never
winning,  vice-always-rewarded media poison,  liberation as freedom to
masturbate with pornography  deconstruction  values nullification (Trojan
horsed as "clairification")

ANd all you who are paid to run NGO’s etc. — who were groomed to push the
people out of the way and to push government by the people out of the
ay  –  because you know better, because your nobility is deserving of
control

I wax vindictive when I wish that you live to learn what you really are and
what you really have done.

But know this Oriental despots  –  destruction is easy  –  the most
miserable and worthless miscreant can envy a great gifted genious and stab
him in the back    –  destruction is easy  and proves nothing about
superiority   —   and only the most inferior shits can possible dream that
successful subversive deceit  means a superior way.  We were just too
civilized to imagine that such retrograde evil as you could exist.  (We
should not have given up trying to convert you to Christianity — back when
we were still capable of being sincere Christians ourselves.)

With Buchanan gone and only a few obstinate Congressmen we refuse to succomb
populism lacks any leaders in the world  –  except — and you won’t
understand what I am saying — Saddam and Slobodan

But who can prevail against all that stolen treasure  –  how can the 6
billion people ever be taught the evils of central banking, of coumpund
interest, of corporations, of the history of the last hundred years?
Just a little cocaine and a wad of money and our enemies have another killer
in their midst.   All the virtuous, wise, courageous men in this country —
yet our enemy can but a Bill Clinton on top for eight years  –  so
obviously weakening us for the kill in every way he could.

It’s very simple,  either you drop everything and leap to the defense
of this civilization  –  or get what you otherwise will richly deserve.

Dick

Will someone provide the donors to Bob Ney,  R,  Ohio?  Is he just an empty
suit presenting the greedy crooks in Congress’s bill,  or is he a liar and a
crook as the others are?  If someone ran an ad on television that was so
distorted and so much a lie as the bill Ney is proposing  they would get
sued for fraud.  It is time to rid ourselves of crooks that would try to
commit fraud on the American people like this!!!  Start recall petitions on
these crooks now.

–

 Gary Lantz

In case any of you Limbaugh freaks out there needed to understand how stupid
he really is,  today about 2:15,  I about split a gut laughing.  The
uneducated circus-sized fatman was talking about complaints that Tiger Woods
was getting $2.5 million to appear in a golf tournament and how the price of
tickets was being raised from $20 to $200.  Then the fatman said,  "What’s
that,  100% increase? uh 200% increase."  This is the same fatman that talks
to you dittoheads/dimwits about bad education and talks "Economics" to his
low IQ serious listeners.  This is about the level of the fatman’s knowledge
on about everything.  This is what he had retained by Jr High School.  Only
dimwits listened to the fat kid then,  and only fools listen seriously to
him now.  What a fatman!

–

 Gary Lantz

From one my lists:

On 12 Jul 2001, at 14:25, texas…@austin.rr.com wrote:

> Just got off the phone with a representative from Jack-in-the-Box who
> stated that it IS the policy of the company that ALL of their
> facilities be gun-free zones where and I quote" The criminals will
> stay away and not bother our customers as they can clearly see we
> have a policy of no guns allowed, even by law abiding, licensed
> concealed hand-gun owners" end quote.

What appalling stupidity.

> I explained to her that would
> place their company on a possible boycott list by gun owners and
> again I quote" that is a chance we as a company will just have to
> take" end quote. I explained to her again, that a criminal would be
> delighted in seeing that policy as they would have no fear of being
> stopped and would not be intimidated in any way what so ever by their
> signs but would be encouraged to go ahead and commit robberies and
> possibly murders, she did not care one bit, even went so far as
> stating that the company fully supported the Second Amendment and a
> person’s right to own a gun but they didn’t want guns in their
> facilities.

They’re private property, so it’s their choice. And mine not to go into a
Victim Disarmament Zone.

> I hope so many people stop eating at their place of business, that
> they go completely bankrupt. I strongly support a letter writing
> campaign to force their hand and go public with their stance and
> garner the outcome of their decision as K-Mart is now coming to
> appreciate.
> Here is the feedback web site URL for them.

> http://www.jackinthebox.com/talk/index.php3

> Time to get busy and write more letters !!!!!

We started avoiding the place many years ago, after a couple of incidents
over a period of about 2 years, where people got food poisoning from eating
there.  

Not to mention that the very name itself brings some pretty disgusting images
to mind.

–
– Melissa in Colorado, libertarian Objectivist.
Doing my part to piss off the Coercive Collectivist left and right.
                  Celebrate AND Advocate Liberty!
Don’t blame me, I voted my conscience, for libertarian Harry Browne.
                  Rights are absolute, not obsolete.

I believe the Second Amendment still means what it says. It doesn’t say "the
right of the government to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", it
says "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

"If someone is so fearful that, that  they’re going to start using their
weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people
have these weapons at all!" – Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) On MSNBC.