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Re: Chomsky Speaks on Bombings

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> On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:34:43 GMT, neverm…@poe.tv (adams) wrote:

> >Mr. Chomsky has always proven himself to hate America and this day is
> >apparently no different.  The left and his anti-US allies have become
> >marginialized in the space of 24 hours.  Its amazing to watch their fall
> >into
> >irrelevancy through no effort of the right.

> Chomsky is a despicable man.  He is an appeaser.  One who would have
> "empathized" with Hitler’s Germany and urged restraint and caution.
> We all know where that lead.

That you compare Hitler to Osama Bin Laden shows gross ignorance on your
part about one if not both of these men. They are in no way comparable
unless you tune your little mind into the airwaves emanating from some
CONservative talk show host on the radio for hours upon hours each day.

If you are looking for a comparison to Hitler then look to Israel where
Ariel Sharon has patterned his life upon Hitler. Israel was created by a
Nazi-Zionist alliance. It is the Israelis who are practicing genocide and
their victims are Palestinians who are dieing from the use of billions of
dollars worth of American weapons by the Israelis.

That is where the diplomacy comes in. Bin Laden or his surrogates in Arab
governments have to be negotiated with. Bin Laden is expecting military
strikes from the U.S. This is what he wants. The strikes will give him and
his kind more warriors bent on destruction. Maybe next time it will be
bio-warfare and over a million dead bodies instead of a building?

The Muslims know that they can not tolerate "Western values" in their
religion but there is a large space between their countries and the West (I
know about the Muslims in southern Europe and the proximity of Turkey to
Europe but the Muslims have much room to live). The problem is Israel,
there is no getting away from that. Israel is like a malignancy in the
Middle East, it does not rest, it constantly tries to metastasize ("Jewish
settlements"). If the "West" was the problem and not Israel then why don’t
the Muslims bomb Britain, France and Germany?

Only the French have been bombed by Muslims and that was because of Algeria
and the bombings were by Algerians. That is the "Vietnam" for the French.
The only Muslim bombing in Germany was by Libyans against U.S. military
personnel in Germany.

Israel is the problem.

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Re: => Bush OK'd shootdown of Civilian Ariliners …!

"- Vox Populi ?" <v…@popu.li> wrote in message <news:qk8p7.1165$%W3.312538@news.uswest.net>…

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> Cheney: Bush OK’d shootdown of rogue planes

A fact that, ironically, makes me feel, ironically, good.  We need a
President, in this time of crisis and war, who is capable of making
those kinds of difficult decisions.  That he was able to do so under
pressure, with only the most preliminary information, actually speaks
well of his ability to command.

I am, in spite of myself, impressed.  This is not the Bush that I’ve
known.


9/11/2001 – Remember.

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Think for a minute…

"The terrorists demonize us and that allows them to do what they did.  We will
     sink to the same level of barbarism"

    I found this interesting article that attempts to analyze the possible
    motives of what happened, and to base a plan of action on a solid
    rational:
    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010916/pl/attack_history_dc_1.html

    The theory that these terrorists are just mean madmen is fatally
    naive.  This country has been waging extremely expensive wars against
    terrorist regimes since 1991, and while we’re thinking they’ve been
    subdued, they came up with the most catastrophic retaliation in our
    history.  Now what? another war? this time we’ll waiste them for good?
     really?

    They are not madmen, whatever they are doing is for a reason: there is
    a conflict of interest.  Does our media even explain to us what it’s
    all about?  Or are they leading us, once again, to fight someone
    else’s war?

    Thousands of lives, billions of dollars, and what exactly is in it for
    us?

    Think for a minute – who’s benefiting from us getting into war?  Which
    *foreign* country finds its security at our expense?

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Re: WTC Attack – Our Government Made it Easy

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:48:27 -0700, "ShameH1B" <Shame…@my-deja.com>
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>You may be interested to know that the schools that trained the pilots that
>destroyed the WTC used H-1B instructors. Use the LCA Database
>www.ZaZona.com/LCA-Data  to see for yourself. I have an update icon for the
>"Basic Search" that will tell you how to view the Labor Condition
>Applications for these schools. More will be added to the list soon.

>There are conflicting reports on the types of visas used by the "students".
>Some may have been here on M Visas or F-1. Our government supplies a huge
>number of visas to allow foreigners into this country so the specific visa
>used probably isn’t that important. What we do know is that these schools
>had foreigners on visas being trained by H-1Bs.

>The so called temporary Visas are very convenient for foreigners that intend
>to spy on us or, in this case, to terrorize us. None of these visas,
>including H-1B are given background checks. Worse yet these people aren’t
>tracked by the INS once they are in the US so we don’t even know what they
>are up to. You may have heard the reports that some of the pilots may have
>"out of status" visas. Since the INS doesn’t track these visas after they
>are issued they don’t know how many potential terrorists remain in this
>country.

…not only to spy or terrorize but also to live here. For almost six
years Waleed Alshehri and family stayed in the US after graduating
from Embry-Riddle in 97!. As you said the INS doesn’t track these
visas after they are issued. …scary

We have a serious problem here and its big.

Just as scary, the people in office want to double the number
of visa allowed into this country to 400,000 a year. This country
cannot maintain what we already have, and congress is seeking to
double the problem.

(We have a bathtub with a crack at the bottom. Congress attempts to
fix the crack in the tub. However, their to ignorant to first turn off
the faucet as the water continues to flow.)

…God Bless America

joe mcdonald  
c…@lconn.com  

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>It was very ironic to see President Bush on TV on that terrible day of Sept.
>11 talking about how shocked he was that it happened. The reason it was
>ironic is that
>very day 245i was to be railroaded through Congress in much the same fashion
>as H-1B was. George’s pro immigration cohorts bullied a few Congressmen into
>letting it pass through with no public debate. Of course WTC attack stopped
>this bill for now.

>Let me explain the irony here. 245i will allow foreign criminals to obtain
>citizenship for a $1,000 fee! Currently 245i will expire in 4 months and
>that has Bush very worried.

>Why would Bush or Congress be surprised at what happened when they are
>making it so easy for the terrorists to take our jobs, steal our trade
>secrets, and hone their deadly skills? And why at this very moment we are
>continuing to issue these nonimmigrant visas so that these people have a red
>carpet into our country?

>Bush may be willing to go to war and kill a lot of people, but he is not
>willing to offend our corporations that contributed to his campaign and
>lobbied for H-1B and other nonimmigrant visas. Don’t expect terrorists to
>stop their activities in the US until we, as a nation, get serious about
>immigration reform.

>Get the Facts on H-1B
>www.ZaZona.com

>say no to H-1B      A C T   N O W
>www.NumbersUSA.com – Numbers USA
>www.FAIRUS.ORG – Federation for American Immigration Reform
>http://americanworker.org/ – Coalition for the Future American Worker
>www.aea.org  American Engineering Association
>www.programmersguild.co The Programmers Guild
>www.NoMoreH1B.org No More H-1B Protest

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Please don't call the WAR.

I am very scared about BUSH
why he must declare it as a WAR
not just Terror attack
he can still do the same thing to make Bin Laden show up

But pls, don’t make it as a WAR
we don’t need any hero
we want peace

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America, the beautiful?

http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=108543

"In Denton, Texas, a mosque was firebombed and another in Lynnwood, near
Washington, was splattered with black paint.

Police in Bridgeview, Illinois, turned back 300 people as they tried to
march on a mosque with anti-Muslim placards and petrol bombs.

On Saturday, a 40-year-old man allegedly stormed into a Seattle mosque
and threatened to burn it down."

http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=108552

HOURS after the World Trade Centre attacks on Tuesday, the Islamic
Institute of New York received a telephone call threatening its 450
pupils, the manager, Azam Meshkat, said.

"The gentleman said he was going to paint the streets with our
children’s blood," she said. The school is closed, but continues to
receive several threats a day. Meanwhile, a mosque in Texas was
firebombed, and another in Washington state had its sign defaced.

In Huntington, New York, police said a 75-year-old man tried to run over
a Pakistani woman in a shopping mall car park.

Khaled Ksaibati, of the University of Wyoming, described the attack on a
Muslim family at a Wal-Mart. "The people who screamed in her face wanted
her to go back to her country," he said. "This is her country. She was
born here."

In a suburb of Chicago, police stopped 300 marchers as they tried to
march on a mosque.

http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=108492

Rampage: killer gunman

A GUNMAN in Phoenix went on a rampage against people who looked of
Middle Eastern descent, police said yesterday.

The white man in a truck shot and killed a petrol station owner, who was
an Indian immigrant. He then drove to a second station and fired
repeatedly through a window without hitting the clerk, who is of
Lebanese descent.

The man then went to a house of a family of Afghani origin, where he
fired several shots. No-one was injured at the last two locations, said
Sergeant Mike Goulet, a police spokesman in Mesa, just east of Phoenix.

Frank Roque, 42, was arrested late on Saturday in connection with the
shootings at the second gas station and house, said Sgt Goulet. He faces
two counts of attempted first-degree murder, but has not been charged
with killing the gas station owner, Balbir Singh Sodhi.

As Roque was handcuffed, he shouted, "I stand for America all the way,"
the East Valley Tribune reported.

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Comment: Dubya hasn’t actually encouraged such race-hate crimes but nor
does he seem to have discouraged such barbarity; he just further stirred
up the anger of the American people beyond that which they already felt
as the result of the terrorist outrages of last Tuesday.  To put it
mildly, his rhetoric seemed redundant even at the time; he should have
sought to pacify his people, not add needlessly to their anger.


< Paul >

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Attack on America

The recent terrorist attacks in the United States have just shown what acts
of terrorism can achieve. What was so incredible about this attack was that
it involved the hijacking of not just one aeroplane, which would be bad
enough in itself, but four aeroplanes. Three of these were flown into packed
buildings full of people. The fourth plane crashed outside a city killing
all on board. There was clear evidence to show that the last plane was
intended for yet another building. The consequence of this attack was mass
destruction and the deaths of thousands of innocents.

This act of terrorism has inflicted more damage on America and the West than
anything the old Soviet Union could accomplish in the Cold War. It is the
period since the end of the Cold War, which was initiated by the collapse of
the former Soviet Union, which has left the free world highly unstable.

The collapse of the Old Soviet Union created many problems. The countries
that made up the former Soviet Union are not policed in the same firm manner
as they once were.

The economic decline of the former Soviet Union has created further
problems. It has been accurately reported that many Russian army leaders
were not paid for 2 years or more in the closing stages of Boris Yeltsin’s
rule. It is quite obvious what happened to some military hardware. It was
sold to whoever was prepared to pay for it. Much of this has fallen into the
hands of extremists. The borders in south and central Asia are now un-
policed and unsupervised.

Despite all these problems following the collapse of the former Soviet Union
Western security organisations have been terribly complacent. Western
governments have behaved since the demise of the old Soviet Union as though
all threats to security have suddenly disappeared. The CIA and MI5 as well
as the armed forces have had their effectiveness seriously undermined by a
combination of government cuts, criticism, administrative malpractice,
political correctness, and in the case of Britain especially, human rights
legislation from Europe. In addition to all of this the Shengen agreement
which came into effect shortly before the demise of the former Soviet Union,
removed internal border checks, which means terrorists can move at will
anywhere in Europe.

The West as a consequence is now dangerously weak. It is this weakness,
which has been exploited by terrorists. Despite the savagery of the attacks
in America there are countries in Europe, which still do not take seriously
the magnitude of what has happened. They have shown this by their hesitance
to give full unequivocal support to US President George Bush for an
aggressive campaign against terrorism. This is despite the fact that many of
those killed came from practically every single European country.

What we have seen is clear evidence that there are some who will exploit the
freedom of the West to create death and mass destruction of an unimaginable
scale to further their cause, whatever that cause may be. What we all have
to accept is that an act of terrorism on this scale is clear evidence that
the freedom and safety of all of us is now at risk. This applies as much to
those in Europe as it does to those living in the United States or indeed
anywhere else for that matter.

This is not the time for any appeasement for terrorism whatsoever. It has to
be accepted that some conflicts cannot be settled by diplomacy and rhetoric.
Conflict, even violent conflict for that matter may well be the only way to
defeat acts of terrorism on the scale we saw in the United States.

 For the sake of all of us in all countries, terrorism has to be dealt with
in a firm, clear, thorough and decisive manner whatever that may happen to
be. There may well be no more chances.
    We should never forget what happened to those people in
America.
    My heart goes out to all of them.

    GAVIN STAPLES.

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politics-addiction

i must mail
i CAN’T stop it.

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Bush's Faustian Deal with the Taliban

Subject: Bush’s Faustian Deal with the Taliban

Pubdate: Wed, 30 May 2001
Source: Marysville Globe, The (WA)
Copyright: 2001 Marysville Globe/Arlington Times

Contact: mgl…@premier1.net
Address: Letters to the Editor, Marysville Globe, PO Box 145,
Marysville, WA 98270
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/1288
Author: Robert Scheer
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/bush.htm (Bush, George)

BUSH’S FAUSTIAN DEAL WITH THE TALIBAN

Enslave your girls and women, harbor anti-U.S. terrorists and destroy
every vestige of civilization in your homeland, and the Bush
administration will embrace you. All that matters is that you line up
as an ally in the drug war, the only international cause that this
nation still takes seriously.

That’s the message sent with the recent gift of $43 million to the
Taliban rulers of Afghanistan, the most virulent anti-American
violators of human rights in the world today. The gift, announced
last Thursday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, in addition to
other recent aid, makes the United States the main sponsor of the
Taliban and rewards that "rogue regime" for declaring that opium
growing is against the will of God. So, too, by the Taliban’s
estimation, are most human activities, but it’s the ban on drugs that
catches this administration’s attention.

Never mind that Osama bin Laden still operates the leading
anti-American terror operation from his base in Afghanistan, from
which, among other crimes, he launched two bloody attacks on American
embassies in Africa in 1998.

Sadly, the Bush administration is cozying up to the Taliban regime at
a time when the United Nations, at U.S. insistence, imposes sanctions
on Afghanistan because the Kabul government will not turn over Bin
Laden.

The war on drugs has become our own fanatics’ obsession and easily
trumps all other concerns. How else could we come to reward the
Taliban, who has subjected the female half of the Afghan population
to a continual reign of terror in a country once considered
enlightened in its treatment of women?

At no point in modern history have women and girls been more
systematically abused than in Afghanistan, where in the name of
madness masquerading as Islam, the government in Kabul obliterates
their fundamental human rights. Women may not appear in public
without being covered from head to toe with the oppressive shroud
called the burkha, and they may not leave the house without being
accompanied by a male family member. They’ve not been permitted to
attend school or be treated by male doctors, yet women have been
banned from practicing medicine or any profession for that matter.

The lot of males is better if they blindly accept the laws of an
extreme religious theocracy that prescribes strict rules governing
all behavior, from a ban on shaving to what crops may be grown. It is
this last power that has captured the enthusiasm of the Bush White
House.

The Taliban fanatics, economically and diplomatically isolated, are
at the breaking point, and so, in return for a pittance of legitimacy
and cash from the Bush administration, they have been willing to
appear to reverse themselves on the growing of opium. That a
totalitarian country can effectively crack down on its farmers is not
surprising. But it is grotesque for a U.S. official, James P.
Callahan, director of the State Department’s Asian anti-drug program,
to describe the Taliban’s special methods in the language of
representative democracy: "The Taliban used a system of
consensus-building," Callahan said after a visit with the Taliban,
adding that the Taliban justified the ban on drugs "in very religious
terms."

Of course, Callahan also reported, those who didn’t obey the
theocratic edict would be sent to prison.
In a country where those who break minor rules are simply beaten on
the spot by religious police and others are stoned to death, it’s
understandable that the government’s "religious" argument might be
compelling. Even if it means, as Callahan concedes, that most of the
farmers who grew the poppies will now confront starvation. That’s
because the Afghan economy has been ruined by the religious extremism
of the Taliban, making the attraction of opium as a previously
tolerated quick cash crop overwhelming.

For that reason, the opium ban will not last unless the United States
is willing to pour far larger amounts of money into underwriting the
Afghan economy.

As the Drug Enforcement Administration’s Steven Casteel admitted,
"The bad side of the ban is that it’s bringing their country — or
certain regions of their country — to economic ruin." Nor did he
hold out much hope for Afghan farmers growing other crops such as
wheat, which require a vast infrastructure to supply water and
fertilizer that no longer exists in that devastated country. There’s
little doubt that the Taliban will turn once again to the easily
taxed cash crop of opium in order to stay in power.

The Taliban may suddenly be the dream regime of our own drug-war
zealots, but in the end this alliance will prove a costly failure.
Our long sad history of signing up dictators in the war on drugs
demonstrates the futility of building a foreign policy on a domestic
obsession.
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Distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.

MAP posted-by: Josh Sutcliffe

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All we are saying……..

If you take an eye for an eye, it Leaves Us All Blind.

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