"It’s like the Yankees playing a stickball team," Gray Davis said in a
recent interview. "We’re totally out of our league."
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-081201consult.story
Californians, remember that when you vote in the next election. SEND GRAY
DAVIS AND HIS BAND OF DEMOCRATS BACK TO THE MINOR LEAGUE! (But keep them
away from the minors.)
Cheers,
Mike Haas
SAVE CALIFORNIA – VOTE OUT THE DEMOCRATS IN 2002!
"If you wouldn’t want your daughter to be an intern for a Democrat, HOW CAN
YOU TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT TO THEM?"
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 18:39:38 GMT, "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote
like a right wing nut;
>SAVE CALIFORNIA – VOTE OUT THE DEMOCRATS IN 2002!
Like your drooling turnip did?
>"If you wouldn’t want your daughter to be an intern for a Democrat, HOW CAN
>YOU TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT TO THEM?"
If you find it acceptable to fry, poison, or otherwise cause the death
of the underage as a manifestation of "taking responsibility for their
actions", , I should think you’d find it acceptable for an adult to
fuck whomever she pleases.
======================================================
HELP STOP RIGHT WING IGNORANCE
NEUTER A CONSERVATIVE TODAY
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:58:51 GMT, SnicKKK…@fascist.com wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 18:39:38 GMT, "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote
>like a right wing nut;
>>SAVE CALIFORNIA – VOTE OUT THE DEMOCRATS IN 2002!
>Like your drooling turnip did?
>>"If you wouldn’t want your daughter to be an intern for a Democrat, HOW CAN
>>YOU TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT TO THEM?"
Would you trust your daughter with…
(a) Newt Gingrich
(b) Bob Barr
(c) Bob Livingston
(d) Henry Hyde
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>If you find it acceptable to fry, poison, or otherwise cause the death
>of the underage as a manifestation of "taking responsibility for their
>actions", , I should think you’d find it acceptable for an adult to
>fuck whomever she pleases.
>======================================================
>HELP STOP RIGHT WING IGNORANCE
>NEUTER A CONSERVATIVE TODAY
<SnicKKK…@fascist.com> wrote as if unemployed South Dakota "advocates" of
the murder of public officials had a clue:
>your drooling turnip
Why does a rosell cross the road?
For the free USDA cheese on the other side.
Go get your cheese, rat.
PLONK.
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:54:40 GMT, "King Pineapple"
<saddleh…@earthlink.net> wrote like a right wing nut;
><SnicKKK…@fascist.com> wrote as if unemployed South Dakota "advocates" of
>the murder of public officials had a clue:
>>your drooling turnip
>Why does a rosell cross the road?
Didn’t have to.
Pineassholes dumb ass covers both sides.
The Truth About Ronald Reagan: A Shallow, Shameless President
Halton Adler Mann in the Houston Chronicle, July 27, 1998
Nonrevisionist analysis is demanded before too much
hagiographic history of Ronald Reagan is engraved in
granite and the 40th president is canonized beyond
truth and endurance in airports, public buildings
and Mount Rushmore.
Now that he is 87 and mentally enfeebled, the
encomiums are coming faster from editorialist
who once excoriated him, their prose revised
to reflect an insufferably sanitized version
of his presidency. Against his relentless tide
of tribute, truth must stand firm.
The truth includes Reagan’s anti-communist
zealotry that compelled him to lie in writing
every six months that he certified "progress" in
human rights in El Salvador. That was the absurd,
unilateral "condition" Congress required for
continued US support of fascist terrorism by
the death squads of that tormented country.
Reagan’s monomaniacal determination to overthrow
Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua led to subsidizing of
proxy mass murder of thousands of innocents there
by Contra terrorists. Later came the Iran-Contra
scandal, the usurpations of presidential powers
by Oliver North and the selling of armaments for American hostages in Lebanon, impeachable offenses in a non-teflon presidency.
A similar moral famine affected Reagan when he declared that the only alternative in the Philippines to Ferdinand Marcos’ reign of terror and murder (he did not characterize it as such) was a communist dictatorship. The peaceful revolution led by the admirable Benigno Aquino’s widow Corazon – whose husband was murdered in a public spectacle by Marcos’s henchmen – belied Reagan’s denial of a democratic movement. Reagan was perfectly willing to keep anti-communist murderers like Marcos in Power.
Although Elie Wiesel importuned him to shun a Nazi cemetery at Bitburg at the request of Michael Deaver and Helmut Kohl, President Reagan went and gave a ludicrous speech. He exculpated the entire German nation for its barbarity, persecution, genocide and war save "one man" he held responsible. Certainly there was a better way to honor Germany’s decades of dedication to Democracy in the wake of World War II.
The Reagan Administration supported Saddam Hussein when Iraq invaded America’s nemesis Iran, in his eight year war. It led to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, the Persian Gulf War and the present threat of chemical and biological warfare.
Also deleted from Reagan’s revisionism is his sending of 230 Marines to their easily avoidable death in what then Senator Sam Nunn, D-Ga. called "Mission Impossible" in Lebanon. The same security measures employed by embassies and banks throughout the world would have prevented the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut.
Reagan’s me culpa after the bombing was bought by an American electorate that could never impute anything but the noblest motives to the "Gipper" and could forgive him almost everything.
As George Clemenceau might conclude, history is too serious a matter to be left to editorial writers and columnists. Give Ronald Reagan his due, his leadership of the "revolution" that bears his name. It culminated in Republican control of Congress for the first time in 40 years in 1994. And give him credit for the energy that contributed to – but was far from solely responsible fro – the dissolution of the Soviet Union’s hegemony.
Extol his B-movie actor’s ability to memorize his lines and deliver them with presidential credibility.
Like him for his affability and personal charm.
But remember and recognize that he was a shallow and shameless president who exploited a nation’s need for shallow answers to profound and protracted problems.
History must not permit him to "go gently into that good night" unscathed by scandal, impervious to imperfections, oblivious to the tragedies he wrought, "blind to criticism and deaf to dissent.
destroy_character_bragga…@whitehouse.gov wrote:
> Would you trust your daughter with…
> (a) Newt Gingrich
> (b) Bob Barr
> (c) Bob Livingston
> (d) Henry Hyde
No NUN
In article <K3Ad7.57292$Kd7.32400…@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>, Mike Haas
says…
>"It’s like the Yankees playing a stickball team," Gray Davis said in a
>recent interview. "We’re totally out of our league."
>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-081201consult.story
>Californians, remember that when you vote in the next election. SEND GRAY
>DAVIS AND HIS BAND OF DEMOCRATS BACK TO THE MINOR LEAGUE! (But keep them
>away from the minors.)
I think it’s Republicans and right wingers who have a thing for minors of both
sexes. Ask Mayor Giordano of Waterbury, or Ted Nugent of Looneyville.
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>Cheers,
>Mike Haas
>SAVE CALIFORNIA – VOTE OUT THE DEMOCRATS IN 2002!
>"If you wouldn’t want your daughter to be an intern for a Democrat, HOW CAN
>YOU TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT TO THEM?"
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:00:21 -0400,
Le Mod Pol <mod_…@espmail.com> wrote,
in us.politics:
>destroy_character_bragga…@whitehouse.gov
>wrote:
Will somebody please tell ‘destroy
character braggarts that it’s illegal
for him/her to use the whitehouse.gov
domain? This is abuse OF the net
and could get him/her reported to
his/her ISP.
Followups to poster.
Henrietta K. Thomas
Chicago, Illinois
h…@wwa.com
—
Want to know more about the us.* hierarchy?
Visit our temporary website at
<http://www.panix.com/~kingdon/usenet-us.html>
In article <3b76df6e.245414…@news.enetis.net>, SnicKKK…@fascist.com
wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 18:39:38 GMT, "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote
> like a right wing nut;
> >SAVE CALIFORNIA – VOTE OUT THE DEMOCRATS IN 2002!
> Like your drooling turnip did?
???
It isn’t the presidents job to bail out California from moronic
democraps who screw up the states power supply. Further, there would
be no need to bail them out if Grey-out Dufus had done his job and fixed
the problems. You whining that Bush didn’t bailout Davis prove that
Republicans need to bail out Democraps…. wonder why? If Republicans
are so bad and Democraps so great, why didn’t Davis solve the problem
himself?
> >"If you wouldn’t want your daughter to be an intern for a Democrat, HOW CAN
> >YOU TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT TO THEM?"
> If you find it acceptable to fry, poison, or otherwise cause the death
> of the underage as a manifestation of "taking responsibility for their
> actions", , I should think you’d find it acceptable for an adult to
> fuck whomever she pleases.
So… you don’t have a point? ok.
14 years old, in a car with dear Teddy Kenedy who drives it off a bridge.
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> ======================================================
> HELP STOP RIGHT WING IGNORANCE
> NEUTER A CONSERVATIVE TODAY
In article <3b7710a8.258017…@news.enetis.net>, SnicKKK…@fascist.com
wrote:
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> On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:54:40 GMT, "King Pineapple"
> <saddleh…@earthlink.net> wrote like a right wing nut;
> ><SnicKKK…@fascist.com> wrote as if unemployed South Dakota "advocates" of
> >the murder of public officials had a clue:
> >>your drooling turnip
> >Why does a rosell cross the road?
> Didn’t have to.
> Pineassholes dumb ass covers both sides.
> The Truth About Ronald Reagan: A Shallow, Shameless President
> Halton Adler Mann in the Houston Chronicle, July 27, 1998
> Nonrevisionist analysis is demanded before too much
> hagiographic history of Ronald Reagan is engraved in
> granite and the 40th president is canonized beyond
> truth and endurance in airports, public buildings
> and Mount Rushmore.
Opinion.
> Now that he is 87 and mentally enfeebled, the
> encomiums are coming faster from editorialist
> who once excoriated him, their prose revised
> to reflect an insufferably sanitized version
> of his presidency. Against his relentless tide
> of tribute, truth must stand firm.
Opinion.
> The truth includes Reagan’s anti-communist
> zealotry that compelled him to lie in writing
> every six months that he certified "progress" in
> human rights in El Salvador. That was the absurd,
> unilateral "condition" Congress required for
> continued US support of fascist terrorism by
> the death squads of that tormented country.
Opinion.
> Reagan’s monomaniacal determination to overthrow
> Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua led to subsidizing of
> proxy mass murder of thousands of innocents there
> by Contra terrorists. Later came the Iran-Contra
> scandal, the usurpations of presidential powers
Opinion.
> by Oliver North and the selling of armaments for American hostages in
> Lebanon, impeachable offenses in a non-teflon presidency.
Opinion.
> A similar moral famine affected Reagan when he declared that the only
> alternative in the Philippines to Ferdinand Marcos’ reign of terror and
> murder (he did not characterize it as such) was a communist dictatorship. The
> peaceful revolution led by the admirable Benigno Aquino’s widow Corazon –
> whose husband was murdered in a public spectacle by Marcos’s henchmen –
> belied Reagan’s denial of a democratic movement. Reagan was perfectly willing
> to keep anti-communist murderers like Marcos in Power.
Opinion.
> Although Elie Wiesel importuned him to shun a Nazi cemetery at Bitburg at the
> request of Michael Deaver and Helmut Kohl, President Reagan went and gave a
> ludicrous speech. He exculpated the entire German nation for its barbarity,
> persecution, genocide and war save "one man" he held responsible. Certainly
> there was a better way to honor Germany’s decades of dedication to Democracy
> in the wake of World War II.
Opinion.
> The Reagan Administration supported Saddam Hussein when Iraq invaded
> America’s nemesis Iran, in his eight year war. It led to the Iraqi invasion
> of Kuwait, the Persian Gulf War and the present threat of chemical and
> biological warfare.
Ignoring that Iran had American hostages.
> Also deleted from Reagan’s revisionism is his sending of 230 Marines to their
> easily avoidable death in what then Senator Sam Nunn, D-Ga. called "Mission
> Impossible" in Lebanon. The same security measures employed by embassies and
> banks throughout the world would have prevented the bombing of the Marine
> barracks in Beirut.
Opinion.
> Reagan’s me culpa after the bombing was bought by an American electorate that
> could never impute anything but the noblest motives to the "Gipper" and could
> forgive him almost everything.
> As George Clemenceau might conclude, history is too serious a matter to be
> left to editorial writers and columnists. Give Ronald Reagan his due, his
> leadership of the "revolution" that bears his name. It culminated in
> Republican control of Congress for the first time in 40 years in 1994. And
> give him credit for the energy that contributed to – but was far from solely
> responsible fro – the dissolution of the Soviet Union’s hegemony.
> Extol his B-movie actor’s ability to memorize his lines and deliver them with
> presidential credibility.
Opinion.
> Like him for his affability and personal charm.
> But remember and recognize that he was a shallow and shameless president who
> exploited a nation’s need for shallow answers to profound and protracted
> problems.
Opinion.
> History must not permit him to "go gently into that good night" unscathed by
> scandal, impervious to imperfections, oblivious to the tragedies he wrought,
> "blind to criticism and deaf to dissent.
Arrogant self importance.
The idea that you are first to critize Reagan is a sad joke.
Or that somehow you alone are going to set the record straight, and that
only you have the power of to do so is arrogant at the least.
Given that your entire article is all opinion and show no proof of
accusations, that we are to just accept these claims on face value is
also a joke.
Yet, if we are going by opinion then I’ll throw my opinion in as well.
You and the people who mindlessly believe what you said, are simply
people with axes to grind, and shouldn’t be considered in more reliable
than any other axe grinder.
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 18:29:50 GMT, "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote
like a right wing nut;
>Pay Now *AND* Pay Later – The Management of Democrats
>It seems that Gray Davis can’t competently govern a state with too little or
>too much electricity!
Then you don’t have any problem with power companies ripping taxpayers
off?
Your sense of ethics is strained.
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"Dana Raffaniello"
<ra…@home.com>
>> Forum: alt.personals
>> Thread: seeking big butt ladies inPhoenix
>> Message 4 of 7
Subject: seeking big butt ladies in
Phoenix
Date: 12/05/1999
Author: Dana <ra…@home.com>
Ladies if you have a nice round plump butt, and pretty feet.
Lets have some fun
"Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:yWzd7.57286$Kd7.32385877@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>…
Given California’s losses, do you want to blame the victims (the
people of the state and our current administration) or the thieves
(the previous governor who sponsored "deregulation" and the energy
barons)? Please note that even former governor Wilson has called the
"deregulation" flawed.
–Russ
Davis couldn’t win a yo-yo contest, but he sure can play with the string.
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SnicKKK…@fascist.com wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 18:29:50 GMT, "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote
> like a right wing nut;
> >Pay Now *AND* Pay Later – The Management of Democrats
> >It seems that Gray Davis can’t competently govern a state with too little or
> >too much electricity!
> Then you don’t have any problem with power companies ripping taxpayers
> off?
> Your sense of ethics is strained.
> ===================================================
> http://x35.deja.com/ST_rn=ap/getdoc.xp?AN=556741088&CONTEXT=956240342.1344012307&hitnum=3
> There are 3888 unique messages by
> "Dana Raffaniello"
> <ra…@home.com>
> >> Forum: alt.personals
> >> Thread: seeking big butt ladies inPhoenix
> >> Message 4 of 7
> Subject: seeking big butt ladies in
> Phoenix
> Date: 12/05/1999
> Author: Dana <ra…@home.com>
> Ladies if you have a nice round plump butt, and pretty feet.
> Lets have some fun
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Mike Haas wrote:
> Pay Now *AND* Pay Later – The Management of Democrats
> It seems that Gray Davis can’t competently govern a state with too little or
> too much electricity!
> Such is the case with California – the state now has too much electricity
> due to the unexpected cool of the summer months.
> Why is this a problem? Because Gray Davis, in his infinite ability to
> bungle, has signed LONG-TERM POWER CONTRACTS with out-of-state energy
> producers that result in California being LOCKED-INTO expensive energy
> prices. These long-term contracts might as well be forged in cement, as
> California is bound, no way out, to abide by these contracts UNTIL THE YEAR
> 2004!
> To make matters even worse, California is now forced to sell it’s surplus
> electricity for as little as ONE-FIFTH of the price it paid for it!
> The absolutely incompetent management of Grey-Out Davis and his band of
> Democrats controlling the state legislature (both houses) has resulted on a
> deficit of $46,000,000.00 dollars LAST MONTH ALONE! (that’s FORTY-SIX
> MILLION DOLLARS for the graduates/dropouts of the Democrat-dominated,
> NEA-run government school system) The budget passed JUST LAST MONTH by the
> Democrat-controlled state legislature (both houses) IS *ALREADY* IN THE RED!
> Not surprisingly, Gray-Out Davis’ response is to try to fool his
> constituents and BLAME BOTH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THOSE OUT-OF-STATE
> ENERGY PRODUCERS THAT HE HAS ENTERED THOSE LONG-TERM CONTRACTS WITH!
> Obviously, voters in California’s next governor’s election need to ask
> themselves "Would you buy *OR SELL* a used car from/to this man?"
I would! Anyone can take Gay Davis to the cleaners. I would probably
get a good used car with a "new" car warranty, free gas for 100,000
miles, and Davis would agree to buy it back anytime within the next five
years for double my purchase price.
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> Californians, it can’t be any more plain – Re-elect Democrats at your own
> peril!
> Cheers,
> Mike Haas
> SAVE CALIFORNIA – VOTE OUT THE DEMOCRATS IN 2002!
> "If you wouldn’t want your daughter to be an intern for a Democrat, HOW CAN
> YOU TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT TO THEM?"
The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls. They put the
Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.
Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
put the Republicans in charge. If they do, then they will deserve the
credit for the success that will ensue.
But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
remember the "Fool me once…" adage.
Cheers,
Mike Haas
"rbbomber" <rbbom…@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:7e483417.0108121500.19d5660d@posting.google.com…
> "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message
<news:yWzd7.57286$Kd7.32385877@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>…
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> Given California’s losses, do you want to blame the victims (the
> people of the state and our current administration) or the thieves
> (the previous governor who sponsored "deregulation" and the energy
> barons)? Please note that even former governor Wilson has called the
> "deregulation" flawed.
> –Russ
"Glen Heiman" <dak…@home.com> wrote in message
news:3B77FE87.BA843837@home.com…
> Mike Haas wrote:
> > Obviously, voters in California’s next governor’s election need to ask
> > themselves "Would you buy *OR SELL* a used car from/to this man?"
> I would! Anyone can take Gay Davis to the cleaners. I would probably
> get a good used car with a "new" car warranty, free gas for 100,000
> miles, and Davis would agree to buy it back anytime within the next five
> years for double my purchase price.
I see your point.
On the other hand, with Grey Davis, it’s SELLER BEWARE TOO, since, after
buying your car AT THE PRICE YOU AGREED ON, he likely will take you to court
for price-gouging and try to sue the auto makers for making such an
expensive product.
Cheers,
Mike Haas
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> > SAVE CALIFORNIA – VOTE OUT THE DEMOCRATS IN 2002!
> > "If you wouldn’t want your daughter to be an intern for a Democrat, HOW
CAN
> > YOU TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT TO THEM?"
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Mike Haas wrote:
> "Glen Heiman" <dak…@home.com> wrote in message
> news:3B77FE87.BA843837@home.com…
> > Mike Haas wrote:
> > > Obviously, voters in California’s next governor’s election need to ask
> > > themselves "Would you buy *OR SELL* a used car from/to this man?"
> > I would! Anyone can take Gay Davis to the cleaners. I would probably
> > get a good used car with a "new" car warranty, free gas for 100,000
> > miles, and Davis would agree to buy it back anytime within the next five
> > years for double my purchase price.
> I see your point.
> On the other hand, with Grey Davis, it’s SELLER BEWARE TOO, since, after
> buying your car AT THE PRICE YOU AGREED ON, he likely will take you to court
> for price-gouging and try to sue the auto makers for making such an
> expensive product.
> Cheers,
> Mike Haas
Eye C yore point!
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> > > SAVE CALIFORNIA – VOTE OUT THE DEMOCRATS IN 2002!
> > > "If you wouldn’t want your daughter to be an intern for a Democrat, HOW
> CAN
> > > YOU TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT TO THEM?"
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Mike Haas wrote:
> "Glen Heiman" <dak…@home.com> wrote in message
> news:3B77FE87.BA843837@home.com…
> > Mike Haas wrote:
> > > Obviously, voters in California’s next governor’s election need to ask
> > > themselves "Would you buy *OR SELL* a used car from/to this man?"
> > I would! Anyone can take Gay Davis to the cleaners. I would probably
> > get a good used car with a "new" car warranty, free gas for 100,000
> > miles, and Davis would agree to buy it back anytime within the next five
> > years for double my purchase price.
> I see your point.
> On the other hand, with Grey Davis, it’s SELLER BEWARE TOO, since, after
> buying your car AT THE PRICE YOU AGREED ON, he likely will take you to court
> for price-gouging and try to sue the auto makers for making such an
> expensive product.
> Cheers,
> Mike Haas
I see your point. I’m sure that the liberal media would play along and
frequently and viciously attack and trash "Big Heiman Enterprises". Woe
is me!
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> > > SAVE CALIFORNIA – VOTE OUT THE DEMOCRATS IN 2002!
> > > "If you wouldn’t want your daughter to be an intern for a Democrat, HOW
> CAN
> > > YOU TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT TO THEM?"
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"Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
> The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
> not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls. They put the
> Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.
> Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
> put the Republicans in charge. If they do, then they will deserve the
> credit for the success that will ensue.
> But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> remember the "Fool me once…" adage.
> Cheers,
> Mike Haas
It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
"parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
–Russ
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rbbomber wrote:
> "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
> > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
> > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls. They put the
> > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.
> > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
> > put the Republicans in charge. If they do, then they will deserve the
> > credit for the success that will ensue.
> > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.
> > Cheers,
> > Mike Haas
> It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
> was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
> public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
> "parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
> generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
> driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
> officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
> dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
> –Russ
Gay Davis had plenty of warning and sat on his ass. Then negotiated
long term contract from a position of weakness (his) and sold the farm.
He did little to encourage the building power plants (short term) and
did nothing for nuclear power plants (long term solution). You also
conveniently forget that his crooked Democratic cronies (BTW is "crooked
Democrat" redundant, redundant?) in CA municipal power districts sold
energy to the state than the out of state power plants did. Davis
rewarded them with state positions and allowed them to operate while in
conflict of interests.
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:04:58 GMT, in article <3B7896BD.E8CB1…@home.com>, Glen
Heiman wrote
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>rbbomber wrote:
>> "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
>> > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
>> > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls. They put the
>> > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.
>> > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
>> > put the Republicans in charge. If they do, then they will deserve the
>> > credit for the success that will ensue.
>> > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
>> > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.
>> > Cheers,
>> > Mike Haas
>> It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
>> was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
>> public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
>> "parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
>> generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
>> driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
>> officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
>> dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
>> –Russ
>Gay Davis had plenty of warning and sat on his ass. Then negotiated
>long term contract from a position of weakness (his) and sold the farm.
>He did little to encourage the building power plants (short term) and
>did nothing for nuclear power plants (long term solution). You also
>conveniently forget that his crooked Democratic cronies (BTW is "crooked
>Democrat" redundant, redundant?) in CA municipal power districts sold
>energy to the state than the out of state power plants did. Davis
>rewarded them with state positions and allowed them to operate while in
>conflict of interests.
Did Grey Davis agitate for and sign the deregulation bill crafted by the energy
barons? As to the purchase contracts, what choices did he have?
–Russ
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rbbomber wrote:
>"Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
>>The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
>>not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls. They put the
>>Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.
>>Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
>>put the Republicans in charge. If they do, then they will deserve the
>>credit for the success that will ensue.
>>But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
>>remember the "Fool me once…" adage.
>>Cheers,
>>Mike Haas
>It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
>was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
>public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
>"parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
>generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
>driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
>officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
>dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
> –Russ
If it was not caused by the politicians in CA; how come other states do
not have the same problems.
We have deregulation in Virginia and none of your problems.
Oh I forgot the folks on Texas are just out to get you alls.
Better up the Prozac dosage!
–
Frederick E. Jorden http://fejcpapc.com/
Frederick E. Jorden, CPA PC
10049 Midlothian Tpk – 2-H Richmond, VA 23235 EMAIL fej…@erols.com
(804) 320-6210 FAX (804) 320-6211
"Frederick E. Jorden" <fej…@erols.com> wrote in message <news:3B792331.4010700@erols.com>…
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> rbbomber wrote:
> >It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
> >was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
> >public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
> >"parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
> >generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
> >driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
> >officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
> >dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
> > –Russ
> If it was not caused by the politicians in CA; how come other states do
> not have the same problems.
> We have deregulation in Virginia and none of your problems.
> Oh I forgot the folks on Texas are just out to get you alls.
> Better up the Prozac dosage!
It _was_ caused by the politicians in California–those who demanded
"deregulation," that is, capitulation to the energy barons.
Republican former governor Pete Wilson, who shilled for and signed the
deregulation legislation, now says he knew it was flawed when he
signed it. Wonderful.
–Russ
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rbbomber wrote:
>"Frederick E. Jorden" <fej…@erols.com> wrote in message <news:3B792331.4010700@erols.com>…
>>rbbomber wrote:
>>>It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
>>>was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
>>>public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
>>>"parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
>>>generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
>>>driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
>>>officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
>>>dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
>>> –Russ
>>If it was not caused by the politicians in CA; how come other states do
>>not have the same problems.
>>We have deregulation in Virginia and none of your problems.
>>Oh I forgot the folks on Texas are just out to get you alls.
>>Better up the Prozac dosage!
>It _was_ caused by the politicians in California–those who demanded
>"deregulation," that is, capitulation to the energy barons.
>Republican former governor Pete Wilson, who shilled for and signed the
>deregulation legislation, now says he knew it was flawed when he
>signed it. Wonderful.
> –Russ
How long has it been since Mr. Wilson was governor. Just what was
Greyout doing since he was elected.
You still have not told me why other states do not have the same problems.
VA has a Republican Governor why did he not sell out to the poser barons.
–
Frederick E. Jorden http://fejcpapc.com/
Frederick E. Jorden, CPA PC
10049 Midlothian Tpk – 2-H Richmond, VA 23235 EMAIL fej…@erols.com
(804) 320-6210 FAX (804) 320-6211
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rbbomber wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:04:58 GMT, in article <3B7896BD.E8CB1…@home.com>, Glen
> Heiman wrote
> >rbbomber wrote:
> >> "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
> >> > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
> >> > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls. They put the
> >> > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.
> >> > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
> >> > put the Republicans in charge. If they do, then they will deserve the
> >> > credit for the success that will ensue.
> >> > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> >> > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Mike Haas
> >> It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
> >> was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
> >> public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
> >> "parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
> >> generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
> >> driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
> >> officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
> >> dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
> >> –Russ
> >Gay Davis had plenty of warning and sat on his ass. Then negotiated
> >long term contract from a position of weakness (his) and sold the farm.
> >He did little to encourage the building power plants (short term) and
> >did nothing for nuclear power plants (long term solution). You also
> >conveniently forget that his crooked Democratic cronies (BTW is "crooked
> >Democrat" redundant, redundant?) in CA municipal power districts sold
> >energy to the state than the out of state power plants did. Davis
> >rewarded them with state positions and allowed them to operate while in
> >conflict of interests.
> Did Grey Davis agitate for and sign the deregulation bill crafted by the energy
> barons? As to the purchase contracts, what choices did he have?
> –Russ
Read my reply again. Also, he could have negotiated long term contracts
BEFORE the "power crunch" that he knew was coming, but
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He did nothing about getting new power plants on line. He stopped them
with the usual California enviromentalist politician whacko red tape.
That is until he could no longer blame anyone else. Then, "HE was the
one" that got them on line, when in fact, he was the one who stopped
them from getting on line in the first place.
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:43:02 GMT, in article <3B7980AD.E6E07…@home.com>, Glen
Heiman wrote
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>rbbomber wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:04:58 GMT, in article <3B7896BD.E8CB1…@home.com>, Glen
>> Heiman wrote
>> >rbbomber wrote:
>> >> "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
>> >> > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
>> >> > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls. They put the
>> >> > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.
>> >> > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
>> >> > put the Republicans in charge. If they do, then they will deserve the
>> >> > credit for the success that will ensue.
>> >> > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
>> >> > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> > Mike Haas
>> >> It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
>> >> was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
>> >> public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
>> >> "parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
>> >> generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
>> >> driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
>> >> officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
>> >> dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
>> >> –Russ
>> >Gay Davis had plenty of warning and sat on his ass. Then negotiated
>> >long term contract from a position of weakness (his) and sold the farm.
>> >He did little to encourage the building power plants (short term) and
>> >did nothing for nuclear power plants (long term solution). You also
>> >conveniently forget that his crooked Democratic cronies (BTW is "crooked
>> >Democrat" redundant, redundant?) in CA municipal power districts sold
>> >energy to the state than the out of state power plants did. Davis
>> >rewarded them with state positions and allowed them to operate while in
>> >conflict of interests.
>> Did Grey Davis agitate for and sign the deregulation bill crafted by the energy
>> barons? As to the purchase contracts, what choices did he have?
>> –Russ
>Read my reply again. Also, he could have negotiated long term contracts
>BEFORE the "power crunch" that he knew was coming, but
>nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>He did nothing about getting new power plants on line. He stopped them
>with the usual California enviromentalist politician whacko red tape.
>That is until he could no longer blame anyone else. Then, "HE was the
>one" that got them on line, when in fact, he was the one who stopped
>them from getting on line in the first place.
What years are you writing about?
–Russ
"Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
> The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
> not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls. They put the
> Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.
> Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
> put the Republicans in charge. If they do, then they will deserve the
> credit for the success that will ensue.
> But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> remember the "Fool me once…" adage.
This whole circus was caused by Rep. Gov. Pete "I wanna be President"
Wilson. He pushed extremely hard to get this brand of dereg. in place.
With tons of help from his good buddies at the power co.’s. Thanks to
Mr. Wilson California will probalby remain Dem. for a long time to
come. This from the state that gave you Reagan. You’re lame attempt at
trying to place blame elsewhere is, at best, ignorant.
"Frederick E. Jorden" <fej…@erols.com> wrote in message <news:3B7971EC.9030001@erols.com>…
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> rbbomber wrote:
> >"Frederick E. Jorden" <fej…@erols.com> wrote in message <news:3B792331.4010700@erols.com>…
> >>rbbomber wrote:
> >>>It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
> >>>was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
> >>>public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
> >>>"parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
> >>>generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
> >>>driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
> >>>officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
> >>>dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
> >>> –Russ
> >>If it was not caused by the politicians in CA; how come other states do
> >>not have the same problems.
> >>We have deregulation in Virginia and none of your problems.
> >>Oh I forgot the folks on Texas are just out to get you alls.
> >>Better up the Prozac dosage!
> >It _was_ caused by the politicians in California–those who demanded
> >"deregulation," that is, capitulation to the energy barons.
> >Republican former governor Pete Wilson, who shilled for and signed the
> >deregulation legislation, now says he knew it was flawed when he
> >signed it. Wonderful.
> > –Russ
> How long has it been since Mr. Wilson was governor. Just what was
> Greyout doing since he was elected.
> You still have not told me why other states do not have the same problems.
> VA has a Republican Governor why did he not sell out to the poser barons.
Gov. Wilson is Mr. Grey’s immediate predecessor. If you know why
or how Virginia’s governor has been able to thwart the designs of the
energy barons please let the rest of the states know.
–Russ
On 14 Aug 2001 11:32:10 -0700, The ignorant moron rbbom…@netzero.com
(rbbomber) spewed hate by saying:
You have failed to give credit to the DemocRATS. Every DemocRAT
member of the state legislature also voted for this bill. You are
giving Wilson too much credit. All of the DemocRAT legislators also
supported it.
>It _was_ caused by the politicians in California–those who demanded
>"deregulation," that is, capitulation to the energy barons.
>Republican former governor Pete Wilson, who shilled for and signed the
>deregulation legislation, now says he knew it was flawed when he
>signed it. Wonderful.
> –Russ
–
Question Diversity
On 14 Aug 2001 14:41:59 -0700, The ignorant moron
skni…@nortelnetworks.com (GoalieMan) spewed hate by saying:
Then why did _every_ DemocRAT legislator also vote for the
"deregulation" Did Wilson have that much influence with the DemocRAT
state legislators that he was able to convince all of them to vote for
the bill/
What have you been smoking ?
The DemocRAT controlled state first voted this bill into law. A large
amount of the blame should be placed on the RATS.
>This whole circus was caused by Rep. Gov. Pete "I wanna be President"
>Wilson. He pushed extremely hard to get this brand of dereg. in place.
>With tons of help from his good buddies at the power co.’s. Thanks to
>Mr. Wilson California will probalby remain Dem. for a long time to
>come. This from the state that gave you Reagan. You’re lame attempt at
>trying to place blame elsewhere is, at best, ignorant.
–
Question Diversity
Pete Wilson left office with a 4.4 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS. But of course,
Davis supporters will blame him just as they blame the Feds and out-of-state
energy providers – EVERYONE BUT DAVIS.
I guess Pete didn’t build up enough surplus to outlast 3 1/2 years of a
Democrat governor!
Cheers,
Mike Haas
"GoalieMan" <skni…@nortelnetworks.com> wrote in message
news:c002a042.0108141341.6171495f@posting.google.com…
> "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message
<news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
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> > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results
of
> > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls. They put the
> > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such
folly.
> > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats,
and
> > put the Republicans in charge. If they do, then they will deserve the
> > credit for the success that will ensue.
> > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.
> This whole circus was caused by Rep. Gov. Pete "I wanna be President"
> Wilson. He pushed extremely hard to get this brand of dereg. in place.
> With tons of help from his good buddies at the power co.’s. Thanks to
> Mr. Wilson California will probalby remain Dem. for a long time to
> come. This from the state that gave you Reagan. You’re lame attempt at
> trying to place blame elsewhere is, at best, ignorant.
Mike Haas wrote:
> Pete Wilson left office with a 4.4 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS. But of course,
> Davis supporters will blame him just as they blame the Feds and out-of-state
> energy providers – EVERYONE BUT DAVIS.
> I guess Pete didn’t build up enough surplus to outlast 3 1/2 years of a
> Democrat governor!
> Cheers,
> Mike Haas
Question? Is there anything negative, antistate, selfish, antitaxpayer
or criminal that Gay Davis can possible do for which he would be held
accountable by the libs. (And having him do something Conservative,
like appointing a conservative judge, is unlikely and doesn’t count)
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> "GoalieMan" <skni…@nortelnetworks.com> wrote in message
> news:c002a042.0108141341.6171495f@posting.google.com…
> > "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message
> <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
> > > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results
> of
> > > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls. They put the
> > > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such
> folly.
> > > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats,
> and
> > > put the Republicans in charge. If they do, then they will deserve the
> > > credit for the success that will ensue.
> > > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> > > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.
> > This whole circus was caused by Rep. Gov. Pete "I wanna be President"
> > Wilson. He pushed extremely hard to get this brand of dereg. in place.
> > With tons of help from his good buddies at the power co.’s. Thanks to
> > Mr. Wilson California will probalby remain Dem. for a long time to
> > come. This from the state that gave you Reagan. You’re lame attempt at
> > trying to place blame elsewhere is, at best, ignorant.
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rbbomber wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:43:02 GMT, in article <3B7980AD.E6E07…@home.com>, Glen
> Heiman wrote
> >rbbomber wrote:
> >> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:04:58 GMT, in article <3B7896BD.E8CB1…@home.com>, Glen
> >> Heiman wrote
> >> >rbbomber wrote:
> >> >> "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
> >> >> > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
> >> >> > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls. They put the
> >> >> > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.
> >> >> > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
> >> >> > put the Republicans in charge. If they do, then they will deserve the
> >> >> > credit for the success that will ensue.
> >> >> > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> >> >> > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.
> >> >> > Cheers,
> >> >> > Mike Haas
> >> >> It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
> >> >> was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
> >> >> public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
> >> >> "parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
> >> >> generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
> >> >> driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
> >> >> officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
> >> >> dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
> >> >> –Russ
> >> >Gay Davis had plenty of warning and sat on his ass. Then negotiated
> >> >long term contract from a position of weakness (his) and sold the farm.
> >> >He did little to encourage the building power plants (short term) and
> >> >did nothing for nuclear power plants (long term solution). You also
> >> >conveniently forget that his crooked Democratic cronies (BTW is "crooked
> >> >Democrat" redundant, redundant?) in CA municipal power districts sold
> >> >energy to the state than the out of state power plants did. Davis
> >> >rewarded them with state positions and allowed them to operate while in
> >> >conflict of interests.
> >> Did Grey Davis agitate for and sign the deregulation bill crafted by the energy
> >> barons? As to the purchase contracts, what choices did he have?
> >> –Russ
> >Read my reply again. Also, he could have negotiated long term contracts
> >BEFORE the "power crunch" that he knew was coming, but
> >nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >He did nothing about getting new power plants on line. He stopped them
> >with the usual California enviromentalist politician whacko red tape.
> >That is until he could no longer blame anyone else. Then, "HE was the
> >one" that got them on line, when in fact, he was the one who stopped
> >them from getting on line in the first place.
> What years are you writing about?
> –Russ
2001, 2001, 2001, and 2001 (Space Odyssey)
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GoalieMan wrote:
> "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
> > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
> > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls. They put the
> > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.
> > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
> > put the Republicans in charge. If they do, then they will deserve the
> > credit for the success that will ensue.
> > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.
> This whole circus was caused by Rep. Gov. Pete "I wanna be President"
> Wilson. He pushed extremely hard to get this brand of dereg. in place.
> With tons of help from his good buddies at the power co.’s. Thanks to
> Mr. Wilson California will probalby remain Dem. for a long time to
> come. This from the state that gave you Reagan. You’re lame attempt at
> trying to place blame elsewhere is, at best, ignorant.
OK! Goalie! Put your mask on because your cranium has been altered by
too many flying pucks.
By your logic, the Mayor of Denver should have still insisted on using
an old outdated and outgrown Stapelton Airport because it was installed
by his predecessors and good enough for them. Live with the problem,
don’t fix it, and only live to blame the opposition.