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rbbomber wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:43:02 GMT, in article <3B7980AD.E6E07…@home.com>, Glen
> Heiman wrote

> >rbbomber wrote:

> >> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:04:58 GMT, in article <3B7896BD.E8CB1…@home.com>, Glen
> >> Heiman wrote

> >> >rbbomber wrote:

> >> >> "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
> >> >> > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
> >> >> > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls.  They put the
> >> >> > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.

> >> >> > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
> >> >> > put the Republicans in charge.  If they do, then they will deserve the
> >> >> > credit for the success that will ensue.

> >> >> > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> >> >> > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.

> >> >> > Cheers,

> >> >> > Mike Haas

> >> >> It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
> >> >> was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
> >> >> public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
> >> >> "parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
> >> >> generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
> >> >> driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
> >> >> officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
> >> >> dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
> >> >>      –Russ

> >> >Gay Davis had plenty of warning and sat on his ass.  Then negotiated
> >> >long term contract from a position of weakness (his) and sold the farm.

> >> >He did little to encourage the building power plants (short term) and
> >> >did nothing for nuclear power plants (long term solution).  You also
> >> >conveniently forget that his crooked Democratic cronies (BTW is "crooked
> >> >Democrat" redundant, redundant?) in CA municipal power districts sold
> >> >energy to the state than the out of state power plants did.  Davis
> >> >rewarded them with state positions and allowed them to operate while in
> >> >conflict of interests.

> >> Did Grey Davis agitate for and sign the deregulation bill crafted by the energy
> >> barons? As to the purchase contracts, what choices did he have?
> >> –Russ

> >Read my reply again.  Also, he could have negotiated long term contracts
> >BEFORE the "power crunch" that he knew was coming, but
> >nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> >He did nothing about getting new power plants on line.  He stopped them
> >with the usual California enviromentalist politician whacko red tape.
> >That is until he could no longer blame anyone else.  Then, "HE was the
> >one" that got them on line, when in fact, he was the one who stopped
> >them from getting on line in the first place.

> What years are you writing about?
> –Russ

2001, 2001, 2001, and 2001 (Space Odyssey)

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GoalieMan wrote:

> "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
> > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
> > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls.  They put the
> > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.

> > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
> > put the Republicans in charge.  If they do, then they will deserve the
> > credit for the success that will ensue.

> > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.

> This whole circus was caused by Rep. Gov. Pete "I wanna be President"
> Wilson. He pushed extremely hard to get this brand of dereg. in place.
> With tons of help from his good buddies at the power co.’s. Thanks to
> Mr. Wilson California will probalby remain Dem. for a long time to
> come. This from the state that gave you Reagan. You’re lame attempt at
> trying to place blame elsewhere is, at best, ignorant.

OK! Goalie!  Put your mask on because your cranium has been altered by
too many flying pucks.

By your logic, the Mayor of Denver should have still insisted on using
an old outdated and outgrown Stapelton Airport because it was installed
by his predecessors and good enough for them.  Live with the problem,
don’t fix it, and only live to blame the opposition.

> Pete Wilson left office with a 4.4 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS.  But of course,
> Davis supporters will blame him just as they blame the Feds and out-of-state
> energy providers – EVERYONE BUT DAVIS.

> I guess Pete didn’t build up enough surplus to outlast 3 1/2 years of a
> Democrat governor!

> Cheers,

> Mike Haas

Question?  Is there anything negative, antistate, selfish, antitaxpayer
or criminal that Gay Davis can possible do for which he would be held
accountable by the libs.  (And having him do something Conservative,
like appointing a conservative judge, is unlikely and doesn’t count)

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> "GoalieMan" <skni…@nortelnetworks.com> wrote in message
> news:c002a042.0108141341.6171495f@posting.google.com…
> > "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message
> <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
> > > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results
> of
> > > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls.  They put the
> > > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such
> folly.

> > > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats,
> and
> > > put the Republicans in charge.  If they do, then they will deserve the
> > > credit for the success that will ensue.

> > > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> > > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.

> > This whole circus was caused by Rep. Gov. Pete "I wanna be President"
> > Wilson. He pushed extremely hard to get this brand of dereg. in place.
> > With tons of help from his good buddies at the power co.’s. Thanks to
> > Mr. Wilson California will probalby remain Dem. for a long time to
> > come. This from the state that gave you Reagan. You’re lame attempt at
> > trying to place blame elsewhere is, at best, ignorant.

Then why did _every_ DemocRAT legislator also vote for the
"deregulation"  Did Wilson have that much influence with the DemocRAT
state legislators that he was able to convince all of them to vote for
the bill/

What have you been smoking ?

The DemocRAT controlled state first voted this bill into law.  A large
amount of the blame should be placed on the RATS.

>This whole circus was caused by Rep. Gov. Pete "I wanna be President"
>Wilson. He pushed extremely hard to get this brand of dereg. in place.
>With tons of help from his good buddies at the power co.’s. Thanks to
>Mr. Wilson California will probalby remain Dem. for a long time to
>come. This from the state that gave you Reagan. You’re lame attempt at
>trying to place blame elsewhere is, at best, ignorant.

–

Question Diversity

I guess Pete didn’t build up enough surplus to outlast 3 1/2 years of a
Democrat governor!

Cheers,

Mike Haas

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> "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message

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> > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results
of
> > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls.  They put the
> > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such
folly.

> > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats,
and
> > put the Republicans in charge.  If they do, then they will deserve the
> > credit for the success that will ensue.

> > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.

> This whole circus was caused by Rep. Gov. Pete "I wanna be President"
> Wilson. He pushed extremely hard to get this brand of dereg. in place.
> With tons of help from his good buddies at the power co.’s. Thanks to
> Mr. Wilson California will probalby remain Dem. for a long time to
> come. This from the state that gave you Reagan. You’re lame attempt at
> trying to place blame elsewhere is, at best, ignorant.

You have failed to give credit to the DemocRATS.  Every DemocRAT
member of the state legislature also voted for this bill.  You are
giving Wilson too much credit.  All of the DemocRAT legislators also
supported it.

>It _was_ caused by the politicians in California–those who demanded
>"deregulation," that is, capitulation to the energy barons.
>Republican former governor Pete Wilson, who shilled for and signed the
>deregulation legislation, now says he knew it was flawed when he
>signed it. Wonderful.
>     –Russ

–

Question Diversity

> Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
> put the Republicans in charge.  If they do, then they will deserve the
> credit for the success that will ensue.

> But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> remember the "Fool me once…" adage.

This whole circus was caused by Rep. Gov. Pete "I wanna be President"
Wilson. He pushed extremely hard to get this brand of dereg. in place.
With tons of help from his good buddies at the power co.’s. Thanks to
Mr. Wilson California will probalby remain Dem. for a long time to
come. This from the state that gave you Reagan. You’re lame attempt at
trying to place blame elsewhere is, at best, ignorant.

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> rbbomber wrote:

> >"Frederick E. Jorden" <fej…@erols.com> wrote in message <news:3B792331.4010700@erols.com>…

> >>rbbomber wrote:

> >>>It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
> >>>was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
> >>>public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
> >>>"parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
> >>>generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
> >>>driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
> >>>officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
> >>>dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
> >>>    –Russ

> >>If it was not caused by the politicians in CA; how come other states do
> >>not have the same problems.
> >>We have deregulation in Virginia and none of your problems.
> >>Oh I forgot the folks on Texas are just out to get you alls.
> >>Better up the Prozac dosage!

> >It _was_ caused by the politicians in California–those who demanded
> >"deregulation," that is, capitulation to the energy barons.
> >Republican former governor Pete Wilson, who shilled for and signed the
> >deregulation legislation, now says he knew it was flawed when he
> >signed it. Wonderful.
> >     –Russ

> How long has it been since Mr. Wilson was governor. Just what was
> Greyout  doing since he was elected.
> You still have not told me why other states do not have the same problems.
> VA has a Republican Governor why did he not sell out to the poser barons.

     Gov. Wilson is Mr. Grey’s immediate predecessor. If you know why
or how Virginia’s governor has been able to thwart the designs of the
energy barons please let the rest of the states know.
      –Russ

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>rbbomber wrote:

>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:04:58 GMT, in article <3B7896BD.E8CB1…@home.com>, Glen
>> Heiman wrote

>> >rbbomber wrote:

>> >> "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
>> >> > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
>> >> > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls.  They put the
>> >> > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.

>> >> > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
>> >> > put the Republicans in charge.  If they do, then they will deserve the
>> >> > credit for the success that will ensue.

>> >> > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
>> >> > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.

>> >> > Cheers,

>> >> > Mike Haas

>> >> It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
>> >> was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
>> >> public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
>> >> "parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
>> >> generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
>> >> driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
>> >> officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
>> >> dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
>> >>      –Russ

>> >Gay Davis had plenty of warning and sat on his ass.  Then negotiated
>> >long term contract from a position of weakness (his) and sold the farm.

>> >He did little to encourage the building power plants (short term) and
>> >did nothing for nuclear power plants (long term solution).  You also
>> >conveniently forget that his crooked Democratic cronies (BTW is "crooked
>> >Democrat" redundant, redundant?) in CA municipal power districts sold
>> >energy to the state than the out of state power plants did.  Davis
>> >rewarded them with state positions and allowed them to operate while in
>> >conflict of interests.

>> Did Grey Davis agitate for and sign the deregulation bill crafted by the energy
>> barons? As to the purchase contracts, what choices did he have?
>> –Russ

>Read my reply again.  Also, he could have negotiated long term contracts
>BEFORE the "power crunch" that he knew was coming, but
>nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>He did nothing about getting new power plants on line.  He stopped them
>with the usual California enviromentalist politician whacko red tape.
>That is until he could no longer blame anyone else.  Then, "HE was the
>one" that got them on line, when in fact, he was the one who stopped
>them from getting on line in the first place.

What years are you writing about?
–Russ

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rbbomber wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:04:58 GMT, in article <3B7896BD.E8CB1…@home.com>, Glen
> Heiman wrote

> >rbbomber wrote:

> >> "Mike Haas" <m…@skyweyr.com> wrote in message <news:3b7858ea$1_1@newsreader.calweb.com>…
> >> > The people of California aren’t victims – they are suffering the results of
> >> > not paying enough attention when they vote at the polls.  They put the
> >> > Democrats in complete control, and now must reap the rewards of such folly.

> >> > Perhaps now they will not fall for the lies and distorions of Democrats, and
> >> > put the Republicans in charge.  If they do, then they will deserve the
> >> > credit for the success that will ensue.

> >> > But if they re-elect Democrats, after all that has happened, well, just
> >> > remember the "Fool me once…" adage.

> >> > Cheers,

> >> > Mike Haas

> >> It was not a Democratic administration that pushed "deregulation," nor
> >> was it a California court that sanctioned the sale, by California
> >> public utilities, of their generating plants to their out-of-state
> >> "parent" companies. Those utilities then "bought" power from the same
> >> generating plants their parents now controlled, at exhorbitant rates,
> >> driving the California corporations into bankruptcy while the company
> >> officials who executed this scam got bonuses in the millions of
> >> dollars. What Democrat had much to do with the cycle?
> >>      –Russ

> >Gay Davis had plenty of warning and sat on his ass.  Then negotiated
> >long term contract from a position of weakness (his) and sold the farm.

> >He did little to encourage the building power plants (short term) and
> >did nothing for nuclear power plants (long term solution).  You also
> >conveniently forget that his crooked Democratic cronies (BTW is "crooked
> >Democrat" redundant, redundant?) in CA municipal power districts sold
> >energy to the state than the out of state power plants did.  Davis
> >rewarded them with state positions and allowed them to operate while in
> >conflict of interests.

> Did Grey Davis agitate for and sign the deregulation bill crafted by the energy
> barons? As to the purchase contracts, what choices did he have?
> –Russ

Read my reply again.  Also, he could have negotiated long term contracts
BEFORE the "power crunch" that he knew was coming, but
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He did nothing about getting new power plants on line.  He stopped them
with the usual California enviromentalist politician whacko red tape.
That is until he could no longer blame anyone else.  Then, "HE was the
one" that got them on line, when in fact, he was the one who stopped
them from getting on line in the first place.