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AOT23 wrote:
> I find it hard to believe that nobody here has had the guts to say that racial
> profiling is necessary.If you look at the numbers minoritys comitt a large
> portion of the crimes in this country, so why shouldnt we profile? Now granted
> ,some guys take it over the limit, but done correctly its a valuable tool in
> law enforcement. What if you work in a predominantley minority neighborhood?
> Who do you stop? According to you guys we should stop no one!! Well i can only
> speak for myself and the people i work with but you are all going to get your
> wish, in the section of the city i work in which is all minority and filled
> with guns and drugs the cops are taking the approach of "who cares" . Give me
> one reason why i should take a chance and try and take a gun off the street. I
> have a family and i dont want to be your next topic on this cop bashing parade.
> So i along with alot of other good aggresive cops will sit back and give you
> people what you want…. LAWLESSNESS….Its going to be a long hot summer.
> Watch as the murder numbers rise
Good idea. Go park your pigmobile and take a nap.
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– OFR – <outlaw_frog_ra…@dejanews.com> wrote:
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> AOT23 wrote:
> > I find it hard to believe that nobody here has had the guts to say
that racial
> > profiling is necessary.If you look at the numbers minoritys comitt
a large
> > portion of the crimes in this country, so why shouldnt we profile?
Now granted
> > ,some guys take it over the limit, but done correctly its a
valuable tool in
> > law enforcement. What if you work in a predominantley minority
neighborhood?
> > Who do you stop? According to you guys we should stop no one!! Well
i can only
> > speak for myself and the people i work with but you are all going
to get your
> > wish, in the section of the city i work in which is all minority
and filled
> > with guns and drugs the cops are taking the approach of "who
cares" . Give me
> > one reason why i should take a chance and try and take a gun off
the street. I
> > have a family and i dont want to be your next topic on this cop
bashing parade.
> > So i along with alot of other good aggresive cops will sit back and
give you
> > people what you want…. LAWLESSNESS….Its going to be a long hot
summer.
> > Watch as the murder numbers rise
> Good idea. Go park your pigmobile and take a nap.
> —
> – Outlaw Frog Raper –
> news:alt.thebird.copwatch
> news:alt.law-enforcement
> news:nyc.general
Hey, he has to tell us where we can get the best donuts first.
–Mary Ann
Living is like licking honey off of a thorn~~
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Mary Ann wrote:
> In article <37519F8E.6…@dejanews.com>,
> – OFR – <outlaw_frog_ra…@dejanews.com> wrote:
> > AOT23 wrote:
> > > I find it hard to believe that nobody here has had the guts to say
> that racial
> > > profiling is necessary.If you look at the numbers minoritys comitt
> a large
> > > portion of the crimes in this country, so why shouldnt we profile?
> Now granted
> > > ,some guys take it over the limit, but done correctly its a
> valuable tool in
> > > law enforcement. What if you work in a predominantley minority
> neighborhood?
> > > Who do you stop? According to you guys we should stop no one!! Well
> i can only
> > > speak for myself and the people i work with but you are all going
> to get your
> > > wish, in the section of the city i work in which is all minority
> and filled
> > > with guns and drugs the cops are taking the approach of "who
> cares" . Give me
> > > one reason why i should take a chance and try and take a gun off
> the street. I
> > > have a family and i dont want to be your next topic on this cop
> bashing parade.
> > > So i along with alot of other good aggresive cops will sit back and
> give you
> > > people what you want…. LAWLESSNESS….Its going to be a long hot
> summer.
> > > Watch as the murder numbers rise
> > Good idea. Go park your pigmobile and take a nap.
> > —
> > – Outlaw Frog Raper –
> > news:alt.thebird.copwatch
> > news:alt.law-enforcement
> > news:nyc.general
> Hey, he has to tell us where we can get the best donuts first.
> –Mary Ann
> Living is like licking honey off of a thorn~~
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Racial profiling is a big step in cutting crime. It works on whites as
well as black’s. Lets say it’s 3 am in a rich part of town you are
driving a beat up old chev. You will be stop white or black. You are out
of place. It’a a cop job to observe anything out of place and
investigate. On the other hand it’s 3 am in the am. You are driving a
car no more than 2 years old chances are you won’t be stoped.
> On the other hand it’s 3 am in the am.
As opposed, one imagines, to 3AM in the afternoon. . . .
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c…@flash.net wrote:
> Mary Ann wrote:
> > In article <37519F8E.6…@dejanews.com>,
> > – OFR – <outlaw_frog_ra…@dejanews.com> wrote:
> > > AOT23 wrote:
> > > > I find it hard to believe that nobody here has had the guts to say
> > that racial
> > > > profiling is necessary.If you look at the numbers minoritys comitt
> > a large
> > > > portion of the crimes in this country, so why shouldnt we profile?
> > Now granted
> > > > ,some guys take it over the limit, but done correctly its a
> > valuable tool in
> > > > law enforcement. What if you work in a predominantley minority
> > neighborhood?
> > > > Who do you stop? According to you guys we should stop no one!! Well
> > i can only
> > > > speak for myself and the people i work with but you are all going
> > to get your
> > > > wish, in the section of the city i work in which is all minority
> > and filled
> > > > with guns and drugs the cops are taking the approach of "who
> > cares" . Give me
> > > > one reason why i should take a chance and try and take a gun off
> > the street. I
> > > > have a family and i dont want to be your next topic on this cop
> > bashing parade.
> > > > So i along with alot of other good aggresive cops will sit back and
> > give you
> > > > people what you want…. LAWLESSNESS….Its going to be a long hot
> > summer.
> > > > Watch as the murder numbers rise
> > > Good idea. Go park your pigmobile and take a nap.
> > > —
> > > – Outlaw Frog Raper –
> > > news:alt.thebird.copwatch
> > > news:alt.law-enforcement
> > > news:nyc.general
> > Hey, he has to tell us where we can get the best donuts first.
> > –Mary Ann
> > Living is like licking honey off of a thorn~~
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
> Racial profiling is a big step in cutting crime. It works on whites as
> well as black’s. Lets say it’s 3 am in a rich part of town you are
> driving a beat up old chev. You will be stop white or black. You are out
> of place. It’a a cop job to observe anything out of place and
> investigate. On the other hand it’s 3 am in the am. You are driving a
> car no more than 2 years old chances are you won’t be stoped.
I bet your car is only 2 years old so that’s fine with you.
Just because a person isn’t able to waste 20,000 + dollars for a "new" car
should not make them suspect.
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c…@flash.net wrote:
> > In article <37519F8E.6…@dejanews.com>,
> > – OFR – <outlaw_frog_ra…@dejanews.com> wrote:
> > > AOT23 wrote:
> I
> > > > have a family and i dont want to be your next topic on this cop
> > bashing parade.
> > > > So i along with alot of other good aggresive cops will sit back
and
> > give you
> > > > people what you want…. LAWLESSNESS….Its going to be a long
hot
> > summer.
> > > > Watch as the murder numbers rise
> > > Good idea. Go park your pigmobile and take a nap.
> > > —
> > > – Outlaw Frog Raper –
> > > news:alt.thebird.copwatch
> > > news:alt.law-enforcement
> > > news:nyc.general
> > Hey, he has to tell us where we can get the best donuts first.
> > –Mary Ann
> > Living is like licking honey off of a thorn~~
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
> Racial profiling is a big step in cutting crime. It works on whites as
> well as black’s. Lets say it’s 3 am in a rich part of town you are
> driving a beat up old chev. You will be stop white or black. You are
out
> of place. It’a a cop job to observe anything out of place and
> investigate. On the other hand it’s 3 am in the am. You are driving a
> car no more than 2 years old chances are you won’t be stoped.
I I have to go to Lake Forest, Illinois tomorrow, but my car is over
ttwo years old. Will I need a passport to travel there? Hmmm, what if
mmy car is under two years old, but I’m driving a Yugo?
Mary Ann
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On Mon, 31 May 1999 07:53:53 GMT, Carole Long <c…@flash.net> wrote:
>Racial profiling is a big step in cutting crime. It works on whites as
>well as black’s. Lets say it’s 3 am in a rich part of town you are
>driving a beat up old chev. You will be stop white or black. You are out
>of place. It’a a cop job to observe anything out of place and
>investigate. On the other hand it’s 3 am in the am. You are driving a
>car no more than 2 years old chances are you won’t be stoped.
What you describe is not racial profiling.
As for being out of place, who do you suppose cuts the grass, runs the
errands, cares for the children, etc., in the wealthy parts of town?
Andy Katz
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>On Mon, 31 May 1999 07:53:53 GMT, Carole Long <c…@flash.net> wrote:
>>Racial profiling is a big step in cutting crime. It works on whites as
>>well as black’s. Lets say it’s 3 am in a rich part of town you are
>>driving a beat up old chev.
How do you think people in the rich part of town get to be (and stay)
rich? Often it’s by NOT wasting money on flashy cars.
Oh, and your above example isn’t "racial profiling" but is (wrongly and
mistakenly) related to "economic profiling".
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On 1 Jun 1999 08:13:08 -0400, dan…@panix.com (danny burstein) wrote:
>How do you think people in the rich part of town get to be (and stay)
>rich? Often it’s by NOT wasting money on flashy cars.
Btw, that’s a nice point, one lost on most Californians (which I
happen to be;). But in NYC, some very well to do people operate some
very dubious looking machinery. Welfare moms use the same hired cars
rich people use . . . you just can’t always tell.
Andy Katz
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AOT23 wrote:
> I find it hard to believe that nobody here has had the guts to say that racial
> profiling is necessary.If you look at the numbers minoritys comitt a large
> portion of the crimes in this country, so why shouldnt we profile?
Because it’s assuming criminality based on a factor with which
someone was born, and cannot change. A long-time study has found that
men whose mother smoked during pregnancy are 2-3x more likely to become a
violent criminal than those whose mothers didn’t. Do you support tattooing
all such children at birth, and treating them all like criminals? Don’t
you think that branding someone as a criminal at birth might become a
self-fulfilling prophecy; if you’re going to be punished anyway, you might
as well commit the crime?
Bart Lidofsky
Bart Lidofsky <ba…@escape.com> wrote in article
<pLW43.1853$4b.43…@news2.giganews.com>…
> AOT23 wrote:
> > I find it hard to believe that nobody here has had the guts to say
that racial
> > profiling is necessary.If you look at the numbers minoritys comitt a
large
> > portion of the crimes in this country, so why shouldnt we profile?
One other point. In the law suite filed by State policemen who claimed
that they were being punished over not profiling, it was claimed that the
New Jersey State Police profiled out of state minorities because they
were less likely to complain. Less likely to complain that allowed them
to write tickets as they felt with little chance that it would be any
bother.
The idea that it had anything to do with stopping criminals is nuts.
Hell, the New Jersey state police trooper of the year was a bigger
criminal than anyone arrested by profile stops.
There is tons of money being made off the traffic tickets and the money is
all the state cares about. Racial Profiling was a method to collect lots
of money and that was the only reason it occurred.
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> Because it’s assuming criminality based on a factor with which
> someone was born, and cannot change. A long-time study has found that
> men whose mother smoked during pregnancy are 2-3x more likely to become
a
> violent criminal than those whose mothers didn’t. Do you support
tattooing
> all such children at birth, and treating them all like criminals? Don’t
> you think that branding someone as a criminal at birth might become a
> self-fulfilling prophecy; if you’re going to be punished anyway, you
might
> as well commit the crime?
> Bart Lidofsky
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AOT23 wrote:
> I find it hard to believe that nobody here has had the guts to say that racial
> profiling is necessary.If you look at the numbers minoritys comitt a large
> portion of the crimes in this country, so why shouldnt we profile?
Because it’s assuming criminality based on a factor with which
someone was born, and cannot change. A long-time study has found that
men whose mother smoked during pregnancy are 2-3x more likely to become a
violent criminal than those whose mothers didn’t. Do you support tattooing
all such children at birth, and treating them all like criminals? Don’t
you think that branding someone as a criminal at birth might become a
self-fulfilling prophecy; if you’re going to be punished anyway, you might
as well commit the crime?
Bart Lidofsky
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Bart Lidofsky <ba…@escape.com> wrote in article
<pLW43.1853$4b.43…@news2.giganews.com>…
> AOT23 wrote:
> > I find it hard to believe that nobody here has had the guts to say
that racial
> > profiling is necessary.If you look at the numbers minoritys comitt a
large
> > portion of the crimes in this country, so why shouldnt we profile?
One other point. In the law suite filed by State policemen who claimed
that they were being punished over not profiling, it was claimed that the
New Jersey State Police profiled out of state minorities because they
were less likely to complain. Less likely to complain that allowed them
to write tickets as they felt with little chance that it would be any
bother.
The idea that it had anything to do with stopping criminals is nuts.
Hell, the New Jersey state police trooper of the year was a bigger
criminal than anyone arrested by profile stops.
There is tons of money being made off the traffic tickets and the money is
all the state cares about. Racial Profiling was a method to collect lots
of money and that was the only reason it occurred.
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> Because it’s assuming criminality based on a factor with which
> someone was born, and cannot change. A long-time study has found that
> men whose mother smoked during pregnancy are 2-3x more likely to become
a
> violent criminal than those whose mothers didn’t. Do you support
tattooing
> all such children at birth, and treating them all like criminals? Don’t
> you think that branding someone as a criminal at birth might become a
> self-fulfilling prophecy; if you’re going to be punished anyway, you
might
> as well commit the crime?
> Bart Lidofsky
AOT23 wrote:
> I dont know who used my name {screen name} but i want to make it blatently
> clear i did not write that last post.If anyone has seen my posts before you
> would know i do not subscibe to these racist beliefs.Once again i did not write
> that last post
I’m sorry, your right to be judged fairly has been suspended
until further notice.
New US policy, one strike and your out.
Zero tolerance, you know. You pigs invented it.
- Outlaw Frog Raper –
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AOT23 wrote:
> I dont know who used my name {screen name} but i want to make it blatently
> clear i did not write that last post.If anyone has seen my posts before you
> would know i do not subscibe to these racist beliefs.Once again i did not write
> that last post
I’m sorry, your right to be judged fairly has been suspended
until further notice.
New US policy, one strike and your out.
Zero tolerance, you know. You pigs invented it.
- Outlaw Frog Raper –
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tooloo wrote:
> OFR wrote in ;
> Group: alt.thebird.copwatch Date: Wed,
> >Jun 2, 1999, 1:34pm From:
> >outlaw_frog_ra…@dejanews.com
> >(- OFR -) REPOST: Re: necessary racial
> >profiling
> >[Repost of article cancelled by rogue
> >canceller.] [ID of cancel was
> ><87153555.3...@dejanews.com>]
> >>AOT23 wrote:
> >>I dont know who used my name {screen
> >>name} but i want to make it blatently clear
> >>i did not write that last post.If anyone has
> >>seen my posts before you would know i do
> >>not subscibe to these racist beliefs.Once
> >>again i did not write that last post
> >I’m sorry, your right to be judged fairly has
> >been suspended until further notice.
> >New US policy, one strike and your out.
> >Zero tolerance, you know. You pigs
> >invented it.
> >- Outlaw Frog Raper –
> >news:alt.thebird.copwatch
> >news:alt.law-enforcement
> >news:nyc.general
> —
> Could this be the next phase ?
> Prone to strike…and you’re out.
> Put the label on them young.
> Unhealthy Children More Prone To Commit Crimes (Reuters) Children
> suffering from drug and alcohol abuse and mental health problems are
> more likely to commit crimes, according to a new report released
> Thursday. – Jun 03 2:24 AM EDT
> http://infoseek.go.com/Content?arn=a2687LBY993reulb-19990602&qt=%2BUn…
> Can NARCO work better than DARE ?
Maybe we can take tissue samples of newborns and identify
future criminals at birth, or better yet we can take fetal
tissue samples and if they are potential criminals we can
arrest the mother and abort the criminal fetus.
Anyone with criminal DNA would be forbidden from reproducing.
Or voting, or driving, talking, breathing, etc.
> news:alt.thebird.copwatch
> Copwatch Newsgroup
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Mary Ann <mary_ann3…@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7iulj5$ka3> I I
have to go to Lake Forest, Illinois tomorrow, but my car is over
> ttwo years old. Will I need a passport to travel there? Hmmm, what if
> mmy car is under two years old, but I’m driving a Yugo?
> Mary Ann
If you can keep a yugo on the road they need mechanics like you in Serbia.
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Nope, I don’t buy it…
There’s a group of older monied people who only drive old
cars, wouldn’t have a new car. You’re telling me they get
stopped in the Hamptons? The Police wouldn’t DARE! Why?
Because there’s a point you are missing about why racial
profiling exists in the first place! It exists because there’s a
Police perception of helplessness by blacks.
Police are going for the ‘easy kill’ and staying away from
their percieved equals and certainly trying to avoid anything
near their betters! It’s a cop out, a fraud and cowardice! They
go into poor neighborhoods where the people are largely
uneducated and without means to defend themselve against
transgressions on their rights no matter how gross.
Mom and Dad are struggling to pay their rent and keep food on
the table, they have little or no time and certainly no money to
persue a police squad who has illegally held and searched their
child publicly however much the kid as suffered humiliation and
shame!
=============================================
HELPFUL HELOISE HINT: Officer’s! Don’t try this kind of
conduct on Little Lord Fauntlyroy! Even before you wind up
facing a battery of highpowered lawyers, you’ll probably get your
StationMasters called on the carpet by City Hall! Powerful well
connected Parents will call in campaign financing debts, meaning
that you a–s is going to be roasted to a fine turn. Read — No
promotion, letters of reprimand, suspensions, ‘toilet duty’ and a
career in shreds!
=============================================
Now in the ghetto or anywhere else, blacks and other
minorities are fair game! Likely to have little political power
if any, your worst acts will likely go unnoticed. If complained
about, those complaints are easily ignored by your
StationMasters! It takes a horde of people making lots of loud
ugly noises just to get the politicians attention at all! Then,
if there’s a Mayor like Ghouliani in place, stonewalling and
whitewashing is all that’s likely to occur!
The Mayors BIG DEAL sweeps last month in the ghetto
neighborhoods near Soundview caused some 5,994 lawabiding
citizens to be stopped, held and searched on the presumtion that
they were engaged in some crime somehow! They would be forced to
submit to the Mayor’s plan that they prove themselves innocent of
any wrongdoing before being allowed to proceed! Six people were
found to have had guns!
The Mayor applauded how this operation had made the
neighborhood safe and restore the quality of life! What a
felonious fraud! The neighborhood was made anything but safe
with 5,994 disgruntled and irritated/insulted citizens now hardly
fans of the police. And only six guns found in arrests that
cannot be held by the courts since there was no probable cause
sufficient to justify or sustain the arrests!
So that now you have six aggitated gunmen out on the streets
with a lowered opinion of law enforcement and society in general!
Added to the expectations of the people that at the mere sight of
a policeman, they might again be stayed from their peaceful
persuits and annoyed, abused and humiliated by a warrantless
search of their persons! Nice way to feel about the place that
you live and the people you’re supposed to be relying upon to
protect and serve you huh?
All the while, Justice Dept., figures show that whites are
much more likely to be in possession of drugs and weapons! Since
twice as many whites use crack cocaine than blacks! But, a study
of court records and prison populations show that somehow the
system fails to find and/or punish these offenders as
effectively/efficiently as their black counterparts. So whose
fooling who about these "Heroic PoliceWerKs’?
Didn’t the Mayor himself attempt to ‘rain down’ on the poor by
calling them ‘immoral’ in a speech he had to hastily withdraw?
The mere fact that he could write such a speech shows what his
mindset is! It shows that he believes that there is something
morally wrong with people who live in poverty! And we know from
historical experience what the righteous think about how immoral
people should be handled! That speech shows that the Mayor is
all for eliminating poverty by the simple expedient of removing
them from society!
That’s not what he was elected to do! He wasn’t given a
mandate to ‘cleanse’ NYC! He was asked by the people to manage
the city so that all New Yorkers could eventually find ways to
live and work better together! Clearly he’s gone the opposite
way! He’s running amoke and out of control himself! He’s
attempting to stonewall and whitewash the cities ills, many of
which he created and fostered! While laying plans to attack
anyone, any group who appears powerless and exposed!
Like for example:
Bikers
Messengers
Cabbies
Jaywalkers
Motorist
Protesters
Minorities
Police
Unions
Educators
Schools
Transit
Transit Workers
Smokers
Homeless
Mentally Ill
The Sick and Infirm
The Elderly
Skateboarders
Rollerbladers
Joggers
Pedestrians
Peddlers
Delivery persons
Gardeners
Homesteaders
Sweat Equity Workers
Immigrants
HealthCare
HealthCareWorkers
He’s insulted foreign dignitaries who were the guests of the
United States of America’s Federal Government who is alone
responsible for foreign policy! As a lawyer himself he should
have known better! He clearly should have known himself to have
had no official capacity and restrained himself! He’s shown that
he has no self control!
He’s, in short, a madman! Plainly and simply Mad!
Obwon
On Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:45:25 GMT, ba…@escape.com (Bart
Lidofsky) wrote:
Good Point Bart:
It is also worthy of note that no kind of profileing is really
legal under our Constitutional law — No person may be arrested
but upon probable cause that a crime has been committed and that
the person to be arrested is likely to have committed the crime!
— U.S. Supreme Court
The Court also has found that — An arrest is an emergency
proceedure which cannot be used if the person to be arrested can
otherwise be compelled to answer!
— U.S. Supreme Court
What we have going on here is that people are being presumed
to be guilty of crimes that have not yet been committed! In
short "preventive enforcement", which anyone even vaguely aware
of history should know is a dangerous perogative to empower
authorities with! It’s what appears to be making police feel
they have the right to shoot first and ask questions later!
That a ‘suspect’ may have been ‘reaching for a gun or a
weapon’, is not a very good defense of Police error! First, we
need to know what the ‘suspect’ was suspected of doing! Then we
need to know what indication the Police had that allowed them to
draw the conclusion that a man reaching into his pocket might
have had a gun there! The mere fact that the police didn’t know
who the man was is not weighed in their favor since there are
many people who reach into their pockets all day long within
sight of police! Are they all to be suspected of having guns at
the Policeman’s whim?
In Diallo’s case, they suspected him of having been an armed
and dangerous rapist — after so many other stories were told, so
we have this one to consider among the many others — But then
they say that they were attracted to him by his ‘suspicious’
conduct? Why was suspicious conduct necessary if they thought he
was an armed and dangerous rapist?
Then we must ask, was there a contemporary report of a crime?
A rape or robbery that had just occurred? If not, then why their
heighted awareness? Why the sudden need to apprehend a ‘suspect’
who they had not yet identified? No less a suspect whom they
suspected of being armed and dangerous yet! Why confront him
under such disadvantageous circumstances? Were any moment an
innocent passerby could have entered the field of fire?
A man’s life was wrongfully taken because the Police made too
many wrongful assumtions! Further, outside of the ‘emergency’
created by their own incompetent actions, no other emergency
could possibly have arisen had they not created one! Likely,
even if they had cornered their suspect — the correct one —
they would have failed to apprehend him as well.
In short they have turned policing into killing! Like the
Mayor says — The police should make the area’s they enter safe
for themselves first (not a direct quote) — But then, that means
they can and should search all houses and places adjacent to the
crimescenes! How does that grab ya?
Obwon
Obwon wrote:
> Nope, I don’t buy it…
> There’s a group of older monied people who only drive old
> cars, wouldn’t have a new car. You’re telling me they get
> stopped in the Hamptons? The Police wouldn’t DARE! Why?
> Because there’s a point you are missing about why racial
> profiling exists in the first place!
It exists because some gutter-slime PR consultant coined it at a fucking
cocktail party.
Next issue.
Obwon wrote:
> In short they have turned policing into killing! Like the
> Mayor says — The police should make the area’s they enter safe
> for themselves first (not a direct quote) –
Like any occupying army would do as they enter an area.
>- But then, that means they can and should search all houses
> and places adjacent to the crimescenes!
Don’t think the pigs wouldn’t be doing it now, if they could.
But only where they reasonably believe it may be a danger, or,
put another way, whenever theyare in a bad neighborhood.
I played with guns in the street as a kid and never got blown
away by any pigs.
Remember, NYC is where the cops will kill you for bouncing
your football of the pigmobile.
Or being a squeegee guy,
or threatening him by running away causing him to shoot you
in the back to alleviate the threat you are causing.
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> Obwon
> Good Point Bart:
> It is also worthy of note that no kind of profileing is really
> legal under our Constitutional law — No person may be arrested
> but upon probable cause that a crime has been committed and that
> the person to be arrested is likely to have committed the crime!
> — U.S. Supreme Court
> The Court also has found that — An arrest is an emergency
> proceedure which cannot be used if the person to be arrested can
> otherwise be compelled to answer!
> — U.S. Supreme Court
> What we have going on here is that people are being presumed
> to be guilty of crimes that have not yet been committed! In
> short "preventive enforcement", which anyone even vaguely aware
> of history should know is a dangerous perogative to empower
> authorities with! It’s what appears to be making police feel
> they have the right to shoot first and ask questions later!
> That a ‘suspect’ may have been ‘reaching for a gun or a
> weapon’, is not a very good defense of Police error! First, we
> need to know what the ‘suspect’ was suspected of doing! Then we
> need to know what indication the Police had that allowed them to
> draw the conclusion that a man reaching into his pocket might
> have had a gun there! The mere fact that the police didn’t know
> who the man was is not weighed in their favor since there are
> many people who reach into their pockets all day long within
> sight of police! Are they all to be suspected of having guns at
> the Policeman’s whim?
> In Diallo’s case, they suspected him of having been an armed
> and dangerous rapist — after so many other stories were told, so
> we have this one to consider among the many others — But then
> they say that they were attracted to him by his ‘suspicious’
> conduct? Why was suspicious conduct necessary if they thought he
> was an armed and dangerous rapist?
> Then we must ask, was there a contemporary report of a crime?
> A rape or robbery that had just occurred? If not, then why their
> heighted awareness? Why the sudden need to apprehend a ‘suspect’
> who they had not yet identified? No less a suspect whom they
> suspected of being armed and dangerous yet! Why confront him
> under such disadvantageous circumstances? Were any moment an
> innocent passerby could have entered the field of fire?
> A man’s life was wrongfully taken because the Police made too
> many wrongful assumtions! Further, outside of the ‘emergency’
> created by their own incompetent actions, no other emergency
> could possibly have arisen had they not created one! Likely,
> even if they had cornered their suspect — the correct one —
> they would have failed to apprehend him as well.
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Doug Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Jun 1999 08:35:47 GMT, mste…@my-deja.com wrote:
> >Oddly enough, some of
> >your posts here are borderline reasonable, until you jump on the
> >bandwagon about cops having a code of silence… I guess what I’m
> >wondering is what sort of medication you take to control your
> >personality disorder…
> Hah hah! So because I have a social conscious and protest against
> police brutality and lawlessness I have a personality disorder? If
> only MORE Americans would have a similar "personality disorder" that
> they would get off their lazy asses and protest the treatment of the
> lower classes by the police.
> Do you have first-hand knowledge that there is no "code of silence" in
> the police business?
If you live in the city you know what it looks like all too well.
How do you explain the brothel that the cops were using in nyc
for the amusement of the the pigs until just recently they were
shut down and dozens of NYPD pigs were involved.
Gambling and prostitution is a right exclusively reserved
for the pigs.
Zero tolerance for all non-pigs.
"Equal protection under the law."
On with the body count!
Vote with a bullet.
The law won’t protect you, it’s too busy protecting
itself at every level of corruption and abuse.
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- OFR – wrote:
> Obwon wrote:
> > In short they have turned policing into killing! Like the
> > Mayor says — The police should make the area’s they enter safe
> > for themselves first (not a direct quote) –
> Like any occupying army would do as they enter an area.
Nothing wrong with that. All these inner cities are "war zones". There
should be a whole new set of rules for these asphalt jungles.
> >- But then, that means they can and should search all houses
> > and places adjacent to the crimescenes!
> Don’t think the pigs wouldn’t be doing it now, if they could.
They do it, and they should.
> I played with guns in the street as a kid and never got blown
> away by any pigs.
And what the hell did YOU carry a gun for? How many "pigs" did YOU blow
away, Frogass??
> Remember, NYC is where the cops will kill you for bouncing
> your football of the pigmobile.
Well then don’t bounce a goddamned football against a cop car!!! You
deserve to get your ass kicked for that. Apparently you haven’t learned
your lesson…. low life.
> Racial profiling IS necessary. Even since the heat was on , drug
> arrests are at an all time low because they are afraid to stop the
> minorities who bring the shit into our state. Think hard about that.
> They aren’t stopping blacks and Hispanics and all of a sudden, the
> drug problem goes away. Get a spine guys, these liberal punks need a
> whooping!! Screw political correctness.
W
On Tue, 08 Jun 1999 12:11:07 -0500, – OFR –
<outlaw_frog_ra…@dejanews.com> wrote:
>How do you explain the brothel that the cops were using in nyc
>for the amusement of the the pigs until just recently they were
>shut down and dozens of NYPD pigs were involved.
>Gambling and prostitution is a right exclusively reserved
>for the pigs.
Yeah, they like to keep vice-dens around so that, if it appears they
may actually have to go after a violent criminal, they can choose to
go after the vice-den instead.
Cowards In Blue…
Nice troll, pig.
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Wanderer wrote:
> – OFR – wrote:
> > Obwon wrote:
> > > In short they have turned policing into killing! Like the
> > > Mayor says — The police should make the area’s they enter safe
> > > for themselves first (not a direct quote) –
> > Like any occupying army would do as they enter an area.
> Nothing wrong with that. All these inner cities are "war zones". There
> should be a whole new set of rules for these asphalt jungles.
> > >- But then, that means they can and should search all houses
> > > and places adjacent to the crimescenes!
> > Don’t think the pigs wouldn’t be doing it now, if they could.
> They do it, and they should.
> > I played with guns in the street as a kid and never got blown
> > away by any pigs.
> And what the hell did YOU carry a gun for? How many "pigs" did YOU blow
> away, Frogass??
> > Remember, NYC is where the cops will kill you for bouncing
> > your football of the pigmobile.
> Well then don’t bounce a goddamned football against a cop car!!! You
> deserve to get your ass kicked for that. Apparently you haven’t learned
> your lesson…. low life.
> > Racial profiling IS necessary. Even since the heat was on , drug
> > arrests are at an all time low because they are afraid to stop the
> > minorities who bring the shit into our state. Think hard about that.
> > They aren’t stopping blacks and Hispanics and all of a sudden, the
> > drug problem goes away. Get a spine guys, these liberal punks need a
> > whooping!! Screw political correctness.
> W
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