What a joke Bush will be on this. Again when Greedy Congressional
Republicans want to take the focus off just providing themselves with a
$5,000 per year pay increase they bring up something related to abortion.
And they just gave their staff a 4.5% increase about twice what they will
end up approving for Social Security and Veterans. These fat loudmouthed
Republicans could care less about the women or the children they require to
be born. Cspan first had a program this morning on Welfare Reform about how
many women and children were kicked off welfare because they didn’t get
abortions. Then these same greedy Republicans want to keep federal funding
out of stem cell research. Again they do not care about embryo’s, they
want to keep the research private so they can cash in. Now that they have
given most of the wealth to the ultra rich, they have passed laws so these
CEO’s and HMO’s can refuse to cover expensive operations for their workers,
even though they will not be denied if they need the same operations. Now
these same rich people want Bush to ban government research on stem cells so
they can develop it themselves for their own personal attempts to live
forever. And of course the middle class will be priced out of the market.
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Please.
Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical application of
stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single human
being?
"Docky Wocky" <richard_cran…@lst.net> wrote in message
news:9jBc7.109$8E2.2930@news…
> Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical application of
> stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single human
> being?
Who cares? It’s research in the future. The important thing is the predicted
accomplishments of stem cell research, not what has already been done.
>>> Ernie DiMicco, Jr.<sparh…@wpi.edu> Thursday, August
09, 2001 12:55:07 PM >>>
>"Docky Wocky" <richard_cran…@lst.net> wrote in message
>news:9jBc7.109$8E2.2930@news…
>> Before this goes on any longer, please point to one
>practical application of
>> stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied
>to a single human
>> being?
>Who cares? It’s research in the future. The important
thing
>is the predicted
>accomplishments of stem cell research, not what has
already
>been done.
So it is okay to fund research into this, but not into
missle defence. The same argument you made above for stem
cell research was put to you for missle defence, and you
rejected it!! hypocrite!
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Gary Lantz wrote:
> What a joke Bush will be on this. Again when Greedy Congressional
> Republicans want to take the focus off just providing themselves with a
> $5,000 per year pay increase they bring up something related to abortion.
> And they just gave their staff a 4.5% increase about twice what they will
> end up approving for Social Security and Veterans. These fat loudmouthed
> Republicans could care less about the women or the children they require to
> be born. Cspan first had a program this morning on Welfare Reform about how
> many women and children were kicked off welfare because they didn’t get
> abortions. Then these same greedy Republicans want to keep federal funding
> out of stem cell research. Again they do not care about embryo’s, they
> want to keep the research private so they can cash in. Now that they have
> given most of the wealth to the ultra rich, they have passed laws so these
> CEO’s and HMO’s can refuse to cover expensive operations for their workers,
> even though they will not be denied if they need the same operations. Now
> these same rich people want Bush to ban government research on stem cells so
> they can develop it themselves for their own personal attempts to live
> forever. And of course the middle class will be priced out of the market.
Who would want to live forever with ancient decrepit freaks and mutants walking
around with stranger’s body parts or cannibalized babies? When do we start
eating our dead? We are already cursed, someone will find a way to do stem cell
research and it will backfire and I hope it does. We deserve it. I will never
forget the "plea" of Michael J. "kill a baby, save my life" Fox. Can everyone
feel the speed we’re picking up on the downhill slide into hell? Anyone who can
get out of this country would be wise to do it as soon as possible, before the
cities start burning.
Docky Wocky wrote:
> Please.
> Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical application of
> stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single human
> being?
Well, we can hope. After they’ve used it on a million or so humans they find it
means certain death.
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Ron Thomas wrote:
> >>> Ernie DiMicco, Jr.<sparh…@wpi.edu> Thursday, August
> 09, 2001 12:55:07 PM >>>
> >"Docky Wocky" <richard_cran…@lst.net> wrote in message
> >news:9jBc7.109$8E2.2930@news…
> >> Before this goes on any longer, please point to one
> >practical application of
> >> stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied
> >to a single human
> >> being?
> >Who cares? It’s research in the future. The important
> thing
> >is the predicted
> >accomplishments of stem cell research, not what has
> already
> >been done.
> So it is okay to fund research into this, but not into
> missle defence. The same argument you made above for stem
> cell research was put to you for missle defence, and you
> rejected it!! hypocrite!
Its more important to that individual that a possibility exists that he
can prolong his life, than the millions of lives that can be saved by
defense. Well, what happens when his body rejects the alien cells when
he’s "living" in a concentration camp? I would say poetic justice. Its
downright funny. What does it matter now? With God, we’ve already
signed our death warrant a dozen times.
Ron Thomas wrote:
> So it is okay to fund research into this, but not into
> missle defence. The same argument you made above for stem
> cell research was put to you for missle defence, and you
> rejected it!! hypocrite!
I guess you have never really studied debate. There’s nothing wrong
with funding research for missile defense. What is stupid is actually
building a missile defense system that has proven unworkable. Those
plans are already in the making.
On the other hand, stem cell research has already proved successful in
repairing spinal injuries.
Do some study before making yourself look like an ass in front of the
world.
–
"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a
nation that suffers from incredible disease."–GW Bush, Gothenburg,
Sweden, June 14, 2001
"Ron Thomas" <spaml…@saberquest.com> wrote in message
news:9kumsa$2fqv$1@news.aros.net…
> >Who cares? It’s research in the future. The important thing
> >is the predicted
> >accomplishments of stem cell research, not what has already
> >been done.
> So it is okay to fund research into this, but not into
> missle defence. The same argument you made above for stem
> cell research was put to you for missle defence, and you
> rejected it!! hypocrite!
False. There are *zero* reasons why stem cell research should not be pursued.
There are myriad reasons why the actual attempted construction of a missile
defense is a poor idea.
"Besq" <Besqa*…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3B72E4A8.21429028@earthlink.net…
> > Please.
> > Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical application of
> > stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single human
> > being?
> Well, we can hope. After they’ve used it on a million or so humans they find
it
> means certain death.
Embryos aren’t humans.
georgie spelvin sez:
"On the other hand, stem cell research has already proved successful in
repairing spinal injuries…"
_______________________
Yeah! On four day old paraplegic tadpoles. Stick to the challenge given.
"Docky Wocky" <richard_cran…@lst.net> wrote in message
news:siDc7.114$8E2.2998@news…
> "On the other hand, stem cell research has already proved successful in
> repairing spinal injuries…"
> _______________________
> Yeah! On four day old paraplegic tadpoles. Stick to the challenge given.
The challenge given was a ridiculous strawman of what is really going on.
George Spelvin <gspel…@everywhere.edu> wrote in message
news:3B72E71E.FC7ACBB0@everywhere.edu…
> "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a
> nation that suffers from incredible disease."–GW Bush, Gothenburg,
> Sweden, June 14, 2001
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky."–Bill
Clinton, early 1998
Ernie DiMicco, Jr. wrote:
> "Besq" <Besqa*…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:3B72E4A8.21429028@earthlink.net…
> > > Please.
> > > Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical application of
> > > stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single human
> > > being?
> > Well, we can hope. After they’ve used it on a million or so humans they find
> it
> > means certain death.
> Embryos aren’t humans.
They’re not elephants. They are potential humans that if implanted will become
humans. I don’t buy that "lump of tissue" stuff, conception is the beginning and it
is human.
On Thu, 09 Aug 2001 19:15:17 GMT, "Docky Wocky"
<richard_cran…@lst.net> wrote:
>Please.
>Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical application of
>stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single human
>being?
So according to you in the 30′s and 40′s the government should have
cut research funding to universities that were trying to build an
electronic computer because till then computers had never been
"applied" to do anything useful, right?
wpf
______________
–
"Besq" <Besqa*…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3B7337DA.A5C67368@earthlink.net…
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> Ernie DiMicco, Jr. wrote:
> > "Besq" <Besqa*…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3B72E4A8.21429028@earthlink.net…
> > > > Please.
> > > > Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical
application of
> > > > stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single
human
> > > > being?
> > > Well, we can hope. After they’ve used it on a million or so humans
they find
> > it
> > > means certain death.
> > Embryos aren’t humans.
> They’re not elephants. They are potential humans that if implanted will
become
> humans. I don’t buy that "lump of tissue" stuff, conception is the
beginning and it
> is human.
Fuck embryos
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Besq wrote:
> Ernie DiMicco, Jr. wrote:
> > "Besq" <Besqa*…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3B72E4A8.21429028@earthlink.net…
> > > > Please.
> > > > Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical application of
> > > > stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single human
> > > > being?
> > > Well, we can hope. After they’ve used it on a million or so humans they find
> > it
> > > means certain death.
> > Embryos aren’t humans.
> They’re not elephants. They are potential humans that if implanted will become
> humans. I don’t buy that "lump of tissue" stuff, conception is the beginning and it
> is human.
Then you believe that when they throw the unused ones away that is just as bad as
abortion? What would you do with those 100,000 plus that they now have on hand?
In article <2iCc7.2156$5d2.6…@news1.wwck1.ri.home.com>, "Ernie
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DiMicco, Jr." <sparh…@wpi.edu> wrote:
> "Besq" <Besqa*…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:3B72E4A8.21429028@earthlink.net…
> > > Please.
> > > Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical
> > > application of
> > > stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single
> > > human
> > > being?
> > Well, we can hope. After they’ve used it on a million or so humans
> > they find
> it
> > means certain death.
> Embryos aren’t humans.
Hello, ignoramus.
Human embryos are 100% human by any objective measurement. We are human
because our DNA tells us to be human. Our DNA comes from our parents
(who are also human), and we developed into adult humans over a period
of about eighteen years (plus or minus depending upon our DNA).
By definition, a human killing another human is homocide.
At what point in human development would you consider homocide for
scientific research to be justifiable homocide?
In the late 1930′s and early-to-mid-1940′s the Japanese figured any time
was justifiable as long as the human in question was not Japanese. Due
to their experiments on Chinese human subjects, we in the US gained a
massive amount of scientific data regarding such things as pain
tolerance and disease transmission.
–
"If you want to know God’s thoughts, first learn His language."
Dr. William "Dave" Thweatt
Ph.D. Theoretical Quantum Chemistry
Postdoctoral Fellow
North Dakota State University
NOW RUNNING UNIX ON HIS MAC!!!
Fargo, ND 58105
In article <3B72E9C8.43D40…@everywhere.edu>, George Spelvin
<gspel…@everywhere.edu> wrote:
> plans are already in the making.
> On the other hand, stem cell research has already proved successful in
> repairing spinal injuries.
> Do some study before making yourself look like an ass in front of the
> world.
In other news, Japanese and German scientific studies from 1936 through
1944 provided a wealth of data in the areas of pain management, poison
tolerance, disease transmission and other areas have proved enormously
successful…
–
"If you want to know God’s thoughts, first learn His language."
Dr. William "Dave" Thweatt
Ph.D. Theoretical Quantum Chemistry
Postdoctoral Fellow
North Dakota State University
NOW RUNNING UNIX ON HIS MAC!!!
Fargo, ND 58105
"Dr. William "Dave" Thweatt, Ph.D." <thwe…@quantum.chem.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote
in message
> > > Well, we can hope. After they’ve used it on a million or so humans
> > > they find it
> > > means certain death.
> > Embryos aren’t humans.
> Hello, ignoramus.
Hello. First of all, your doctorate is in chemistry, so don’t expect me to
assign you any extra credibility in the biology area.
> Human embryos are 100% human by any objective measurement. We are human
> because our DNA tells us to be human. Our DNA comes from our parents
> (who are also human), and we developed into adult humans over a period
> of about eighteen years (plus or minus depending upon our DNA).
OK, so then skin cells that flake off your skin, saliva, blood that drips on the
ground, etc etc are also human, since it contains human DNA.
Defining a "human" as "something DNA tells to be human" is a circular
definition, and thus useless.
> By definition, a human killing another human is homocide.
However, seeing as you have failed to properly define a "human", this statement
is meaningless. You might as well say a erglop killing another erglop is
erglicide.
> At what point in human development would you consider homocide for
> scientific research to be justifiable homocide?
At the point in which the fetus has definitive neural function, of course.
Before that, it is simply an unconscious lump of cells.
> In the late 1930′s and early-to-mid-1940′s the Japanese figured any time
> was justifiable as long as the human in question was not Japanese. Due
> to their experiments on Chinese human subjects, we in the US gained a
> massive amount of scientific data regarding such things as pain
> tolerance and disease transmission.
Your point is? Those experiments were unethical because they were done on real
thinking people, not pseudo-real imaginary people.
Docky Wocky wrote:
> georgie spelvin sez:
> "On the other hand, stem cell research has already proved successful in
> repairing spinal injuries…"
> _______________________
> Yeah! On four day old paraplegic tadpoles. Stick to the challenge given.
That’s a lie. Stick to the facts.
–
"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a
nation that suffers from incredible disease."–GW Bush, Gothenburg,
Sweden, June 14, 2001
Ron Thomas wrote:
> So it is okay to fund research into this, but not into
> missle defence. The same argument you made above for stem
> cell research was put to you for missle defence, and you
> rejected it!! hypocrite!
So it is not okay to fund research into this, but it is okay to fund
research into missile defense? The same argument you make against stem
cells can be made for missile defense, any you accept it!! hypocrite!
Docky Wocky <richard_cran…@lst.net> wrote in message
news:9jBc7.109$8E2.2930@news…
> Please.
> Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical application
of
> stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single human
> being?
Why would someone post such an ignorant comment?
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Besq wrote:
> Ernie DiMicco, Jr. wrote:
> > "Besq" <Besqa*…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3B72E4A8.21429028@earthlink.net…
> > > > Please.
> > > > Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical application of
> > > > stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single human
> > > > being?
> > > Well, we can hope. After they’ve used it on a million or so humans they find
> > it
> > > means certain death.
> > Embryos aren’t humans.
> They’re not elephants. They are potential humans that if implanted will become
> humans.
So is every egg flushed down the toilet when a woman ovulates. They are
potential humans if fertilized. And every sperm you jack into a Kleenex
is a potential human if matched with an egg.
> I don’t buy that "lump of tissue" stuff, conception is the beginning and it
> is human.
Prove it.
–
"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a
nation that suffers from incredible disease."–GW Bush, Gothenburg,
Sweden, June 14, 2001
"Dr. William \"Dave\" Thweatt, Ph.D." wrote:
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> In article <2iCc7.2156$5d2.6…@news1.wwck1.ri.home.com>, "Ernie
> DiMicco, Jr." <sparh…@wpi.edu> wrote:
> > "Besq" <Besqa*…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3B72E4A8.21429028@earthlink.net…
> > > > Please.
> > > > Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical
> > > > application of
> > > > stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single
> > > > human
> > > > being?
> > > Well, we can hope. After they’ve used it on a million or so humans
> > > they find
> > it
> > > means certain death.
> > Embryos aren’t humans.
> Hello, ignoramus.
> Human embryos are 100% human by any objective measurement. We are human
> because our DNA tells us to be human. Our DNA comes from our parents
> (who are also human), and we developed into adult humans over a period
> of about eighteen years (plus or minus depending upon our DNA).
Well, "Dr." Dave, you should know that there is precious little
difference in the DNA of all living things. Genes make the difference.
> By definition, a human killing another human is homocide.
Prove a collection of cells is a human being. Prove that my spittle (a
collection of human cells) is not a human being.
> At what point in human development would you consider homocide for
> scientific research to be justifiable homocide?
Obvious logical fallacy. "When did you stop beating your wife?"
> In the late 1930′s and early-to-mid-1940′s the Japanese figured any time
> was justifiable as long as the human in question was not Japanese. Due
> to their experiments on Chinese human subjects, we in the US gained a
> massive amount of scientific data regarding such things as pain
> tolerance and disease transmission.
Red herring.
Clearly your "Ph.D." isn’t in logic.