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> In article <2iCc7.2156$5d2.6…@news1.wwck1.ri.home.com>, "Ernie
> DiMicco, Jr." <sparh…@wpi.edu> wrote:

> > "Besq" <Besqa*…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3B72E4A8.21429028@earthlink.net…

> > > > Please.

> > > > Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical
> > > > application of
> > > > stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single
> > > > human
> > > > being?

> > > Well, we can hope.  After they’ve used it on a million or so humans
> > > they find
> > it
> > > means certain death.

> > Embryos aren’t humans.

> Hello, ignoramus.

> Human embryos are 100% human by any objective measurement.  We are human
> because our DNA tells us to be human.  Our DNA comes from our parents
> (who are also human), and we developed into adult humans over a period
> of about eighteen years (plus or minus depending upon our DNA).

Well, "Dr." Dave, you should know that there is precious little
difference in the DNA of all living things.  Genes make the difference.

> By definition, a human killing another human is homocide.

Prove a collection of cells is a human being.  Prove that my spittle (a
collection of human cells) is not a human being.

> At what point in human development would you consider homocide for
> scientific research to be justifiable homocide?

Obvious logical fallacy.  "When did you stop beating your wife?"

> In the late 1930′s and early-to-mid-1940′s the Japanese figured any time
> was justifiable as long as the human in question was not Japanese.  Due
> to their experiments on Chinese human subjects, we in the US gained a
> massive amount of scientific data regarding such things as pain
> tolerance and disease transmission.

Red herring.

Clearly your "Ph.D." isn’t in logic.

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Besq wrote:

> Ernie DiMicco, Jr. wrote:

> > "Besq" <Besqa*…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3B72E4A8.21429028@earthlink.net…

> > > > Please.

> > > > Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical application of
> > > > stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single human
> > > > being?

> > > Well, we can hope.  After they’ve used it on a million or so humans they find
> > it
> > > means certain death.

> > Embryos aren’t humans.

> They’re not elephants.  They are potential humans that if implanted will become
> humans.  

So is every egg flushed down the toilet when a woman ovulates.  They are
potential humans if fertilized.  And every sperm you jack into a Kleenex
is a potential human if matched with an egg.

> I don’t buy that "lump of tissue" stuff, conception is the beginning and it
> is human.

Prove it.

–
"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a
nation that suffers from incredible disease."–GW Bush, Gothenburg,
Sweden, June 14, 2001

So it is not okay to fund research into this, but it is okay to fund
research into missile defense?  The same argument you make against stem
cells can be made for missile defense, any you accept it!! hypocrite!

news:9jBc7.109$8E2.2930@news…

> Please.

> Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical application
of
> stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single human
> being?

Why would someone post such an ignorant comment?

> georgie spelvin sez:

> "On the other hand, stem cell research has already proved successful in
> repairing spinal injuries…"
> _______________________

> Yeah! On four day old paraplegic tadpoles. Stick to the challenge given.

That’s a lie.  Stick to the facts.

–
"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a
nation that suffers from incredible disease."–GW Bush, Gothenburg,
Sweden, June 14, 2001

<gspel…@everywhere.edu> wrote:
> plans are already in the making.

> On the other hand, stem cell research has already proved successful in
> repairing spinal injuries.

> Do some study before making yourself look like an ass in front of the
> world.

In other news, Japanese and German scientific studies from 1936 through
1944 provided a wealth of data in the areas of pain management, poison
tolerance, disease transmission and other areas have proved enormously
successful…

–
  "If you want to know God’s thoughts, first learn His language."

  Dr. William "Dave" Thweatt
  Ph.D. Theoretical Quantum Chemistry
  Postdoctoral Fellow
  North Dakota State University
  NOW RUNNING UNIX ON HIS MAC!!!
  Fargo, ND 58105

> > > Well, we can hope.  After they’ve used it on a million or so humans
> > > they find it
> > > means certain death.

> > Embryos aren’t humans.

> Hello, ignoramus.

Hello. First of all, your doctorate is in chemistry, so don’t expect me to
assign you any extra credibility in the biology area.

> Human embryos are 100% human by any objective measurement.  We are human
> because our DNA tells us to be human.  Our DNA comes from our parents
> (who are also human), and we developed into adult humans over a period
> of about eighteen years (plus or minus depending upon our DNA).

OK, so then skin cells that flake off your skin, saliva, blood that drips on the
ground, etc etc are also human, since it contains human DNA.

Defining a "human" as "something DNA tells to be human" is a circular
definition, and thus useless.

> By definition, a human killing another human is homocide.

However, seeing as you have failed to properly define a "human", this statement
is meaningless. You might as well say a erglop killing another erglop is
erglicide.

> At what point in human development would you consider homocide for
> scientific research to be justifiable homocide?

At the point in which the fetus has definitive neural function, of course.
Before that, it is simply an unconscious lump of cells.

> In the late 1930′s and early-to-mid-1940′s the Japanese figured any time
> was justifiable as long as the human in question was not Japanese.  Due
> to their experiments on Chinese human subjects, we in the US gained a
> massive amount of scientific data regarding such things as pain
> tolerance and disease transmission.

Your point is? Those experiments were unethical because they were done on real
thinking people, not pseudo-real imaginary people.

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DiMicco, Jr." <sparh…@wpi.edu> wrote:
> "Besq" <Besqa*…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:3B72E4A8.21429028@earthlink.net…

> > > Please.

> > > Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical
> > > application of
> > > stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single
> > > human
> > > being?

> > Well, we can hope.  After they’ve used it on a million or so humans
> > they find
> it
> > means certain death.

> Embryos aren’t humans.

Hello, ignoramus.

Human embryos are 100% human by any objective measurement.  We are human
because our DNA tells us to be human.  Our DNA comes from our parents
(who are also human), and we developed into adult humans over a period
of about eighteen years (plus or minus depending upon our DNA).

By definition, a human killing another human is homocide.

At what point in human development would you consider homocide for
scientific research to be justifiable homocide?

In the late 1930′s and early-to-mid-1940′s the Japanese figured any time
was justifiable as long as the human in question was not Japanese.  Due
to their experiments on Chinese human subjects, we in the US gained a
massive amount of scientific data regarding such things as pain
tolerance and disease transmission.

–
  "If you want to know God’s thoughts, first learn His language."

  Dr. William "Dave" Thweatt
  Ph.D. Theoretical Quantum Chemistry
  Postdoctoral Fellow
  North Dakota State University
  NOW RUNNING UNIX ON HIS MAC!!!
  Fargo, ND 58105

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Besq wrote:
> Ernie DiMicco, Jr. wrote:

> > "Besq" <Besqa*…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3B72E4A8.21429028@earthlink.net…

> > > > Please.

> > > > Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical application of
> > > > stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single human
> > > > being?

> > > Well, we can hope.  After they’ve used it on a million or so humans they find
> > it
> > > means certain death.

> > Embryos aren’t humans.

> They’re not elephants.  They are potential humans that if implanted will become
> humans.  I don’t buy that "lump of tissue" stuff, conception is the beginning and it
> is human.

Then you believe that when they throw the unused ones away that is just as bad as
abortion? What would you do with those 100,000 plus that they now have on hand?

<richard_cran…@lst.net> wrote:
>Please.

>Before this goes on any longer, please point to one practical application of
>stem cell "research" that has been successfully applied to a single human
>being?

So according to you in the 30′s and 40′s the government should have
cut research funding to universities that were trying to build an
electronic computer because till then computers had never been
"applied"  to do anything useful, right?

wpf

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