Comments on: This goes here this goes there and this . . . http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this Fri, 03 Feb 2012 09:03:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: admin http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this/comment-page-1#comment-3756 admin Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:24:20 +0000 http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this#comment-3756 Someone else claimed this earlier, in a confused way on this NG.  I agree it <br /> gives their conduct a different spin.  Sloppy on Repugnicans part though. <br /> <p>- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -</p>> P.S. One interesting fact - the Republicans were allowed to correct <br /> > the ballots because the Republican party had sent people a pre-printed <br /> > ballot request form with errors.  The Dems also had such a form, but <br /> > it didn't have the errors.  This doesn't affect whether the Reps <br /> > violated the law, but it does make the whole thing seem somewhat less <br /> > sinister. <br /> <p>> Or in Seminole Country, Jacobs v. Seminole County <br /> > Canv. Bd. (CV-00-2816, 1D00-4686, and 1D00-4717), "Final Order", also <br /> > under 8 Dec 2000.  A similar opinion. <br /> <br /> </p> Someone else claimed this earlier, in a confused way on this NG.  I agree it
gives their conduct a different spin.  Sloppy on Repugnicans part though.

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> P.S. One interesting fact – the Republicans were allowed to correct
> the ballots because the Republican party had sent people a pre-printed
> ballot request form with errors.  The Dems also had such a form, but
> it didn’t have the errors.  This doesn’t affect whether the Reps
> violated the law, but it does make the whole thing seem somewhat less
> sinister.

> Or in Seminole Country, Jacobs v. Seminole County
> Canv. Bd. (CV-00-2816, 1D00-4686, and 1D00-4717), "Final Order", also
> under 8 Dec 2000.  A similar opinion.

]]> By: admin http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this/comment-page-1#comment-3754 admin Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:24:19 +0000 http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this#comment-3754 <p>Jim Kingdon <king...@panix.com> wrote in article <br /> <p4w3dfyoip2....@panix2.panix.com>... <br /> > > "The suit seeks to invalidate either all 15,000 absentee ballots cast <br /> in <br /> > > Seminole County, or a proportion of the spoiled ballots, based on the <br /> > > number of absentee votes that each party received"? <br /> <br /> > The Martin county complaint (dated 1 Dec 2000) is at <br /> </p><p>> http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/us/election/election2000.html (under <br /> > "Taylor v. Martin County Canv. Bd. (CV-00-2850)").  The "invalidate a <br /> > proportion remedy" is labeled "three" on page 10.  The briefs on that <br /> > page go into more detail of the law and whether throwing out ballots <br /> > might be justified as a remedy (see for example pages 3-5 of <br /> > "Defendant Martin County Canv. Bd. Trial Brief" although I couldn't <br /> > quickly find a place where the briefs went into the proportion issue). <br /> <br />BTD: See how misleading the media can be! <br />         The court ruled against the plaintiff(s) <br /> </p> Jim Kingdon <king…@panix.com> wrote in article
<p4w3dfyoip2….@panix2.panix.com>…
> > "The suit seeks to invalidate either all 15,000 absentee ballots cast
in
> > Seminole County, or a proportion of the spoiled ballots, based on the
> > number of absentee votes that each party received"?

 > The Martin county complaint (dated 1 Dec 2000) is at

> http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/us/election/election2000.html (under
> "Taylor v. Martin County Canv. Bd. (CV-00-2850)").  The "invalidate a
> proportion remedy" is labeled "three" on page 10.  The briefs on that
> page go into more detail of the law and whether throwing out ballots
> might be justified as a remedy (see for example pages 3-5 of
> "Defendant Martin County Canv. Bd. Trial Brief" although I couldn’t
> quickly find a place where the briefs went into the proportion issue).

BTD: See how misleading the media can be!
        The court ruled against the plaintiff(s)

]]> By: admin http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this/comment-page-1#comment-3755 admin Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:24:19 +0000 http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this#comment-3755 (us.politics.elections added; I'm dissecting court rulings in Martin <br /> County and Seminole County). <br /> <p>> BTD: See how misleading the media can be! <br /> >    The court ruled against the plaintiff(s) <br /> <br />The Martin County ruling is at <br /> http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/us/election/election2000.html (go to <br /> case Taylor v. Martin County Canv. Bd. (CV-00-2850), 8 Dec 2000 and <br /> look for "Final Judgment for Defendants").  The interesting thing is <br /> that it relies heavily on the "will of the voters" type reasoning that <br /> had been Florida election law but which was somewhat called into <br /> question (vis a vis a prez election) by the US Supremes just a few <br /> days ago.  The Martin Country opinion doesn't address throwing out <br /> some vs. all ballots because they rule that throwing out ballots in <br /> general isn't called for in this kind of situation. <br /> </p><p>P.S. One interesting fact - the Republicans were allowed to correct <br /> the ballots because the Republican party had sent people a pre-printed <br /> ballot request form with errors.  The Dems also had such a form, but <br /> it didn't have the errors.  This doesn't affect whether the Reps <br /> violated the law, but it does make the whole thing seem somewhat less <br /> sinister. <br /> </p><p>Or in Seminole Country, Jacobs v. Seminole County <br /> Canv. Bd. (CV-00-2816, 1D00-4686, and 1D00-4717), "Final Order", also <br /> under 8 Dec 2000.  A similar opinion. <br /> </p> (us.politics.elections added; I’m dissecting court rulings in Martin
County and Seminole County).

> BTD: See how misleading the media can be!
>    The court ruled against the plaintiff(s)

The Martin County ruling is at
http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/us/election/election2000.html (go to
case Taylor v. Martin County Canv. Bd. (CV-00-2850), 8 Dec 2000 and
look for "Final Judgment for Defendants").  The interesting thing is
that it relies heavily on the "will of the voters" type reasoning that
had been Florida election law but which was somewhat called into
question (vis a vis a prez election) by the US Supremes just a few
days ago.  The Martin Country opinion doesn’t address throwing out
some vs. all ballots because they rule that throwing out ballots in
general isn’t called for in this kind of situation.

P.S. One interesting fact – the Republicans were allowed to correct
the ballots because the Republican party had sent people a pre-printed
ballot request form with errors.  The Dems also had such a form, but
it didn’t have the errors.  This doesn’t affect whether the Reps
violated the law, but it does make the whole thing seem somewhat less
sinister.

Or in Seminole Country, Jacobs v. Seminole County
Canv. Bd. (CV-00-2816, 1D00-4686, and 1D00-4717), "Final Order", also
under 8 Dec 2000.  A similar opinion.

]]> By: admin http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this/comment-page-1#comment-3752 admin Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:24:18 +0000 http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this#comment-3752 <p>"The suit seeks to invalidate either all 15,000 absentee ballots cast in <br /> Seminole County, or a proportion of the spoiled ballots, based on the <br /> number of absentee votes that each party received"? <br /> </p><p>Blazin' Tommy D. <td...@stny.rr.com> wrote in article <br /> <01c06141$727172e0$d8865f18@federalist>... <br /> </p><p>- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -</p>> Was this requested? <br /> <p>> Jim Kingdon <king...@panix.com> wrote in article <br /> > <p4wbsumolnm....@panix2.panix.com>... <br /> > > > http://news.findlaw.com/ap/a/p/1131/12-6-2000/20001206003051620.html <br /> </p><p>  I'd be <br /> > > rather surprised if the court threw out the ballots as a remedy. <br /> <br /> </p> "The suit seeks to invalidate either all 15,000 absentee ballots cast in
Seminole County, or a proportion of the spoiled ballots, based on the
number of absentee votes that each party received"?

Blazin’ Tommy D. <td…@stny.rr.com> wrote in article
<01c06141$727172e0$d8865f18@federalist>…

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> Was this requested?

> Jim Kingdon <king…@panix.com> wrote in article
> <p4wbsumolnm….@panix2.panix.com>…
> > > http://news.findlaw.com/ap/a/p/1131/12-6-2000/20001206003051620.html

  I’d be
> > rather surprised if the court threw out the ballots as a remedy.

]]> By: admin http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this/comment-page-1#comment-3753 admin Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:24:18 +0000 http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this#comment-3753 <p>> "The suit seeks to invalidate either all 15,000 absentee ballots cast in <br /> > Seminole County, or a proportion of the spoiled ballots, based on the <br /> > number of absentee votes that each party received"? <br /> <br />Interesting.  I failed to notice the latter remedy in the news <br /> coverage to date. <br /> </p><p>NPR was saying there could be a decision at 2:15pm Eastern, 30 minutes <br /> from now as I write this. <br /> </p><p>The Martin county complaint (dated 1 Dec 2000) is at <br /> http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/us/election/election2000.html (under <br /> "Taylor v. Martin County Canv. Bd. (CV-00-2850)").  The "invalidate a <br /> proportion remedy" is labeled "three" on page 10.  The briefs on that <br /> page go into more detail of the law and whether throwing out ballots <br /> might be justified as a remedy (see for example pages 3-5 of <br /> "Defendant Martin County Canv. Bd. Trial Brief" although I couldn't <br /> quickly find a place where the briefs went into the proportion issue). <br /> </p> > "The suit seeks to invalidate either all 15,000 absentee ballots cast in
> Seminole County, or a proportion of the spoiled ballots, based on the
> number of absentee votes that each party received"?

Interesting.  I failed to notice the latter remedy in the news
coverage to date.

NPR was saying there could be a decision at 2:15pm Eastern, 30 minutes
from now as I write this.

The Martin county complaint (dated 1 Dec 2000) is at
http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/us/election/election2000.html (under
"Taylor v. Martin County Canv. Bd. (CV-00-2850)").  The "invalidate a
proportion remedy" is labeled "three" on page 10.  The briefs on that
page go into more detail of the law and whether throwing out ballots
might be justified as a remedy (see for example pages 3-5 of
"Defendant Martin County Canv. Bd. Trial Brief" although I couldn’t
quickly find a place where the briefs went into the proportion issue).

]]> By: admin http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this/comment-page-1#comment-3751 admin Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:24:17 +0000 http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this#comment-3751 Was this requested? <br /> <p>Jim Kingdon <king...@panix.com> wrote in article <br /> <p4wbsumolnm....@panix2.panix.com>... <br /> </p><p>- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -</p>> > http://news.findlaw.com/ap/a/p/1131/12-6-2000/20001206003051620.html <br /> <p>> A story about the absentee ballot controversy in Seminole and Martin <br /> > counties. <br /> </p><p>> Seems like something was quite possibly rotten there, but I'd be <br /> > rather surprised if the court threw out the ballots as a remedy. <br /> <br /> </p> Was this requested?

Jim Kingdon <king…@panix.com> wrote in article
<p4wbsumolnm….@panix2.panix.com>…

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> > http://news.findlaw.com/ap/a/p/1131/12-6-2000/20001206003051620.html

> A story about the absentee ballot controversy in Seminole and Martin
> counties.

> Seems like something was quite possibly rotten there, but I’d be
> rather surprised if the court threw out the ballots as a remedy.

]]> By: admin http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this/comment-page-1#comment-3750 admin Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:24:16 +0000 http://www.uspolitical.info/this-goes-here-this-goes-there-and-this#comment-3750 <p>> http://news.findlaw.com/ap/a/p/1131/12-6-2000/20001206003051620.html <br /> <br />A story about the absentee ballot controversy in Seminole and Martin <br /> counties. <br /> </p><p>Seems like something was quite possibly rotten there, but I'd be <br /> rather surprised if the court threw out the ballots as a remedy. <br /> </p> > http://news.findlaw.com/ap/a/p/1131/12-6-2000/20001206003051620.html

A story about the absentee ballot controversy in Seminole and Martin
counties.

Seems like something was quite possibly rotten there, but I’d be
rather surprised if the court threw out the ballots as a remedy.

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