Daschle Wants Equal Economic Outcomes for All Americans
By Gene Koprowski
CNSNews.com Correspondent
August 08, 2001
Chicago (CNSNews.com) – Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.),
burnishing his civil rights credentials, told delegates to the annual
Rainbow Coalition/Operation PUSH convention here that the Senate during the
rest of his tenure will aim to ensure equal economic outcomes for all
Americans.
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:18:28 -0400, "A Real American"
<rgerm…@rovin.net> wrote:
>Daschle Wants Equal Economic Outcomes for All Americans
>By Gene Koprowski
>CNSNews.com Correspondent
>August 08, 2001
>Chicago (CNSNews.com) – Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.),
>burnishing his civil rights credentials, told delegates to the annual
>Rainbow Coalition/Operation PUSH convention here that the Senate during the
>rest of his tenure will aim to ensure equal economic outcomes for all
>Americans.
DO you understand why they posted their version of what he said,
rather than his actual words?
No, you don’t!
What a hoot.
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:18:28 -0400, "A Real American"
<rgerm…@rovin.net> wrote:
>Daschle Wants Equal Economic Outcomes for All Americans
>By Gene Koprowski
>CNSNews.com Correspondent
>August 08, 2001
>Chicago (CNSNews.com) – Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.),
>burnishing his civil rights credentials, told delegates to the annual
>Rainbow Coalition/Operation PUSH convention here that the Senate during the
>rest of his tenure will aim to ensure equal economic outcomes for all
That is not true.
I read the remarks, and what he said was that racial disparity in
economic outcomes demonstrates that we do not provide equal protection
for those of different races.
What he aims to ensure is equal opportunity for those of different
races.
He did not say that he expects or will push for equal outcomes for
all.
His comment related to racial groups, not to individuals.
CNSnews – not too accuarate in their summary.
>From: tyrebiterN…@workmail.com (George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.)
>CNSnews – not too accuarate in their summary
CNS as a whole is a joke.
-Brian
So wouldn’t it be more fair for individuals than races?
DeWayne Guice
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:18:28 -0400, "A Real American"
> <rgerm…@rovin.net> wrote:
> >Daschle Wants Equal Economic Outcomes for All Americans
> >By Gene Koprowski
> >CNSNews.com Correspondent
> >August 08, 2001
> >Chicago (CNSNews.com) – Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.),
> >burnishing his civil rights credentials, told delegates to the annual
> >Rainbow Coalition/Operation PUSH convention here that the Senate during
the
> >rest of his tenure will aim to ensure equal economic outcomes for all
> That is not true.
> I read the remarks, and what he said was that racial disparity in
> economic outcomes demonstrates that we do not provide equal protection
> for those of different races.
> What he aims to ensure is equal opportunity for those of different
> races.
> He did not say that he expects or will push for equal outcomes for
> all.
> His comment related to racial groups, not to individuals.
> CNSnews – not too accuarate in their summary.
On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:02:28 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
<guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>So wouldn’t it be more fair for individuals than races?
That one individual is denied a loan does not prove much.
That blacks, on the whole, are denied loans, even when their incomes
are the same as white applicants, suggests unequal treatment.
To Daschle.
To others it does not imply unequal protection, based on race,
because, presumably, they think blacks deserve to have the loan
denied, for some reason or other.
I think that a legislator can rightly look at societal-wide events and
make laws based on them.
If teens start dying of drug overdoses, it makes sense to suspect a
cause for that, other than something inside children.
I do not find such logic bad.
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>DeWayne Guice
>"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3b7295e4.13984694@news.newsguy.com…
>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:18:28 -0400, "A Real American"
>> <rgerm…@rovin.net> wrote:
>> >Daschle Wants Equal Economic Outcomes for All Americans
>> >By Gene Koprowski
>> >CNSNews.com Correspondent
>> >August 08, 2001
>> >Chicago (CNSNews.com) – Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.),
>> >burnishing his civil rights credentials, told delegates to the annual
>> >Rainbow Coalition/Operation PUSH convention here that the Senate during
>the
>> >rest of his tenure will aim to ensure equal economic outcomes for all
>> That is not true.
>> I read the remarks, and what he said was that racial disparity in
>> economic outcomes demonstrates that we do not provide equal protection
>> for those of different races.
>> What he aims to ensure is equal opportunity for those of different
>> races.
>> He did not say that he expects or will push for equal outcomes for
>> all.
>> His comment related to racial groups, not to individuals.
>> CNSnews – not too accuarate in their summary.
A black being denied a loan because he is black is not unlike a white being
denied a job through affirmative action because he is white..this is a
question not a statement???
DeWayne Guice
Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
Harrisonburg, Louisiana
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:02:28 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
> <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >So wouldn’t it be more fair for individuals than races?
> That one individual is denied a loan does not prove much.
> That blacks, on the whole, are denied loans, even when their incomes
> are the same as white applicants, suggests unequal treatment.
> To Daschle.
> To others it does not imply unequal protection, based on race,
> because, presumably, they think blacks deserve to have the loan
> denied, for some reason or other.
> I think that a legislator can rightly look at societal-wide events and
> make laws based on them.
> If teens start dying of drug overdoses, it makes sense to suspect a
> cause for that, other than something inside children.
> I do not find such logic bad.
> >DeWayne Guice
> >"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in
message
> >news:3b7295e4.13984694@news.newsguy.com…
> >> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:18:28 -0400, "A Real American"
> >> <rgerm…@rovin.net> wrote:
> >> >Daschle Wants Equal Economic Outcomes for All Americans
> >> >By Gene Koprowski
> >> >CNSNews.com Correspondent
> >> >August 08, 2001
> >> >Chicago (CNSNews.com) – Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.),
> >> >burnishing his civil rights credentials, told delegates to the annual
> >> >Rainbow Coalition/Operation PUSH convention here that the Senate
during
> >the
> >> >rest of his tenure will aim to ensure equal economic outcomes for all
> >> That is not true.
> >> I read the remarks, and what he said was that racial disparity in
> >> economic outcomes demonstrates that we do not provide equal protection
> >> for those of different races.
> >> What he aims to ensure is equal opportunity for those of different
> >> races.
> >> He did not say that he expects or will push for equal outcomes for
> >> all.
> >> His comment related to racial groups, not to individuals.
> >> CNSnews – not too accuarate in their summary.
On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:35:21 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
<guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>A black being denied a loan because he is black is not unlike a white being
>denied a job through affirmative action because he is white..this is a
>question not a statement???
Blacks get FEWER loans.
Whites get MORE jobs.
See the difference?
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>DeWayne Guice
>Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
>Harrisonburg, Louisiana
>"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3b73312c.28341061@news.newsguy.com…
>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:02:28 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
>> <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >So wouldn’t it be more fair for individuals than races?
>> That one individual is denied a loan does not prove much.
>> That blacks, on the whole, are denied loans, even when their incomes
>> are the same as white applicants, suggests unequal treatment.
>> To Daschle.
>> To others it does not imply unequal protection, based on race,
>> because, presumably, they think blacks deserve to have the loan
>> denied, for some reason or other.
>> I think that a legislator can rightly look at societal-wide events and
>> make laws based on them.
>> If teens start dying of drug overdoses, it makes sense to suspect a
>> cause for that, other than something inside children.
>> I do not find such logic bad.
>> >DeWayne Guice
>> >"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in
>message
>> >news:3b7295e4.13984694@news.newsguy.com…
>> >> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:18:28 -0400, "A Real American"
>> >> <rgerm…@rovin.net> wrote:
>> >> >Daschle Wants Equal Economic Outcomes for All Americans
>> >> >By Gene Koprowski
>> >> >CNSNews.com Correspondent
>> >> >August 08, 2001
>> >> >Chicago (CNSNews.com) – Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.),
>> >> >burnishing his civil rights credentials, told delegates to the annual
>> >> >Rainbow Coalition/Operation PUSH convention here that the Senate
>during
>> >the
>> >> >rest of his tenure will aim to ensure equal economic outcomes for all
>> >> That is not true.
>> >> I read the remarks, and what he said was that racial disparity in
>> >> economic outcomes demonstrates that we do not provide equal protection
>> >> for those of different races.
>> >> What he aims to ensure is equal opportunity for those of different
>> >> races.
>> >> He did not say that he expects or will push for equal outcomes for
>> >> all.
>> >> His comment related to racial groups, not to individuals.
>> >> CNSnews – not too accuarate in their summary.
In article <apKc7.9415$Ke7.485…@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>, "DeWayne
Guice" <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>A black being denied a loan because he is black is not unlike a white being
>denied a job through affirmative action because he is white..this is a
>question not a statement???
can you cope with statistical arguments
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in message
news:3b737a04.46991778@news.newsguy.com…
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:35:21 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
> <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >A black being denied a loan because he is black is not unlike a white being
> >denied a job through affirmative action because he is white..this is a
> >question not a statement???
> Blacks get FEWER loans.
> Whites get MORE jobs.
Changing the standards, with bias just continues racism. You are pro-bias and
discrimination, and that is wrong. There are more blacks in prison also, but look
at what they have done to end-up there…. The cause of their problems need to
be worked on also, but we cannot lower the standards (e.g. allowing blacks to
kill other blacks), because that creates an institutional underclass. Such schemes
are the hallmark of the institutionally corrupt Democrat party. (And, I still
applaud those who are trying to fix the broken Democrat party.)
You keep on trying to ‘paint-over’ the problems, creating more divisivness, while
others are either laissez-faire (which is better than adding Democrat salt to the
wounds), or truly trying to improve the plight of those who need help acheiving
the standards.
You cannot create equality by command (in a facist manner), but equality has to come
from within the constituents (perhaps with encouragement from public leaders.) Imposed,
facist equality isn’t equality. Refer to the racial strife that has re-occured in E Europe
after the FALSE, Communist imposed ‘equality’ has disappeared. The problem with
that system (and yours) is that superficial improvement IS NOT HELPFUL, other than
creates an unstable situation for the future.
John
NO
DeWayne
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:35:21 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
> <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >A black being denied a loan because he is black is not unlike a white
being
> >denied a job through affirmative action because he is white..this is a
> >question not a statement???
> Blacks get FEWER loans.
> Whites get MORE jobs.
> See the difference?
> >DeWayne Guice
> >Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
> >Harrisonburg, Louisiana
> >"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in
message
> >news:3b73312c.28341061@news.newsguy.com…
> >> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:02:28 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
> >> <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> >So wouldn’t it be more fair for individuals than races?
> >> That one individual is denied a loan does not prove much.
> >> That blacks, on the whole, are denied loans, even when their incomes
> >> are the same as white applicants, suggests unequal treatment.
> >> To Daschle.
> >> To others it does not imply unequal protection, based on race,
> >> because, presumably, they think blacks deserve to have the loan
> >> denied, for some reason or other.
> >> I think that a legislator can rightly look at societal-wide events and
> >> make laws based on them.
> >> If teens start dying of drug overdoses, it makes sense to suspect a
> >> cause for that, other than something inside children.
> >> I do not find such logic bad.
> >> >DeWayne Guice
> >> >"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in
> >message
> >> >news:3b7295e4.13984694@news.newsguy.com…
> >> >> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:18:28 -0400, "A Real American"
> >> >> <rgerm…@rovin.net> wrote:
> >> >> >Daschle Wants Equal Economic Outcomes for All Americans
> >> >> >By Gene Koprowski
> >> >> >CNSNews.com Correspondent
> >> >> >August 08, 2001
> >> >> >Chicago (CNSNews.com) – Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle
(D-S.D.),
> >> >> >burnishing his civil rights credentials, told delegates to the
annual
> >> >> >Rainbow Coalition/Operation PUSH convention here that the Senate
> >during
> >> >the
> >> >> >rest of his tenure will aim to ensure equal economic outcomes for
all
> >> >> That is not true.
> >> >> I read the remarks, and what he said was that racial disparity in
> >> >> economic outcomes demonstrates that we do not provide equal
protection
> >> >> for those of different races.
> >> >> What he aims to ensure is equal opportunity for those of different
> >> >> races.
> >> >> He did not say that he expects or will push for equal outcomes for
> >> >> all.
> >> >> His comment related to racial groups, not to individuals.
> >> >> CNSnews – not too accuarate in their summary.
I applaud your "assumption" but obviously you not clear on my intentions.
DeWayne Guice
Catahoula parish Democratic Executive Committee
Harrisonburg, Louisiana
"JD" <dy…@jdyson.com> wrote in message
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> "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in
message
> news:3b737a04.46991778@news.newsguy.com…
> > On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:35:21 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
> > <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > >A black being denied a loan because he is black is not unlike a white
being
> > >denied a job through affirmative action because he is white..this is a
> > >question not a statement???
> > Blacks get FEWER loans.
> > Whites get MORE jobs.
> Changing the standards, with bias just continues racism. You are pro-bias
and
> discrimination, and that is wrong. There are more blacks in prison also,
but look
> at what they have done to end-up there…. The cause of their problems
need to
> be worked on also, but we cannot lower the standards (e.g. allowing blacks
to
> kill other blacks), because that creates an institutional underclass.
Such schemes
> are the hallmark of the institutionally corrupt Democrat party. (And, I
still
> applaud those who are trying to fix the broken Democrat party.)
> You keep on trying to ‘paint-over’ the problems, creating more
divisivness, while
> others are either laissez-faire (which is better than adding Democrat salt
to the
> wounds), or truly trying to improve the plight of those who need help
acheiving
> the standards.
> You cannot create equality by command (in a facist manner), but equality
has to come
> from within the constituents (perhaps with encouragement from public
leaders.) Imposed,
> facist equality isn’t equality. Refer to the racial strife that has
re-occured in E Europe
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> after the FALSE, Communist imposed ‘equality’ has disappeared. The
problem with
> that system (and yours) is that superficial improvement IS NOT HELPFUL,
other than
> creates an unstable situation for the future.
> John
Statistics are numbers on paper,,,I cope with reality arguments.
DeWayne Guice
Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
Harrisonburg, Louisiana
"rand mair fheal" <mair_fh…@www.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <apKc7.9415$Ke7.485…@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>, "DeWayne
> Guice" <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >A black being denied a loan because he is black is not unlike a white
being
> >denied a job through affirmative action because he is white..this is a
> >question not a statement???
> can you cope with statistical arguments
On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:52:32 GMT, Sam Barber
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<sambar…@prontomail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 06:07:29 GMT, tyrebiterN…@workmail.com (George
>Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.) wrote:
>>On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:35:21 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
>><guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>A black being denied a loan because he is black is not unlike a white being
>>>denied a job through affirmative action because he is white..this is a
>>>question not a statement???
>>Blacks get FEWER loans.
>>Whites get MORE jobs.
>>See the difference?
>Hmmm.
>If that is the case, all the more reason to really get rid of failed
>Democratic programs.
Consider the situation before the civil rights laws advanced.
Blacks got WAY fewer loans.
>If Democrtas are willing to admit that their assumptions may have
>actually been way, way off base.
The civil rights advances have been followed by great strides.
That does not mean that we have yet reached the promised land.
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>>>DeWayne Guice
>>>Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
>>>Harrisonburg, Louisiana
>>>"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:3b73312c.28341061@news.newsguy.com…
>>>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:02:28 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
>>>> <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>> >So wouldn’t it be more fair for individuals than races?
>>>> That one individual is denied a loan does not prove much.
>>>> That blacks, on the whole, are denied loans, even when their incomes
>>>> are the same as white applicants, suggests unequal treatment.
>>>> To Daschle.
>>>> To others it does not imply unequal protection, based on race,
>>>> because, presumably, they think blacks deserve to have the loan
>>>> denied, for some reason or other.
>>>> I think that a legislator can rightly look at societal-wide events and
>>>> make laws based on them.
>>>> If teens start dying of drug overdoses, it makes sense to suspect a
>>>> cause for that, other than something inside children.
>>>> I do not find such logic bad.
>>>> >DeWayne Guice
>>>> >"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in
>>>message
>>>> >news:3b7295e4.13984694@news.newsguy.com…
>>>> >> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:18:28 -0400, "A Real American"
>>>> >> <rgerm…@rovin.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >Daschle Wants Equal Economic Outcomes for All Americans
>>>> >> >By Gene Koprowski
>>>> >> >CNSNews.com Correspondent
>>>> >> >August 08, 2001
>>>> >> >Chicago (CNSNews.com) – Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.),
>>>> >> >burnishing his civil rights credentials, told delegates to the annual
>>>> >> >Rainbow Coalition/Operation PUSH convention here that the Senate
>>>during
>>>> >the
>>>> >> >rest of his tenure will aim to ensure equal economic outcomes for all
>>>> >> That is not true.
>>>> >> I read the remarks, and what he said was that racial disparity in
>>>> >> economic outcomes demonstrates that we do not provide equal protection
>>>> >> for those of different races.
>>>> >> What he aims to ensure is equal opportunity for those of different
>>>> >> races.
>>>> >> He did not say that he expects or will push for equal outcomes for
>>>> >> all.
>>>> >> His comment related to racial groups, not to individuals.
>>>> >> CNSnews – not too accuarate in their summary.
>____
>"That is a political issue that must be decided by the negotiators.
>As a psychological first step it (the amount) does not matter.
>Psychology is what Kyoto is about because there is no (scientific)
>basis for 5.2 percent."
>- Narasimhan Sundararaman, Secretary of the Geneva-based
>Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), confessing the real
>meaning of Kyoto, 7/09/01
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:04:14 -0500, "JD" <dy…@jdyson.com> wrote:
>"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3b737a04.46991778@news.newsguy.com…
>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:35:21 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
>> <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >A black being denied a loan because he is black is not unlike a white being
>> >denied a job through affirmative action because he is white..this is a
>> >question not a statement???
>> Blacks get FEWER loans.
>> Whites get MORE jobs.
>Changing the standards, with bias just continues racism.
Seeing that blacks are getting screwed, without doing something,
continues the harm.
You find a union without a single black in it, you figure something
ain’t kosher.
You suggest we do nothing, just let it be?
You are pro-bias and
>discrimination, and that is wrong. There are more blacks in prison also, but look
>at what they have done to end-up there…. The cause of their problems need to
>be worked on also, but we cannot lower the standards (e.g. allowing blacks to
>kill other blacks), because that creates an institutional underclass. Such schemes
>are the hallmark of the institutionally corrupt Democrat party. (And, I still
>applaud those who are trying to fix the broken Democrat party.)
>You keep on trying to ‘paint-over’ the problems, creating more divisivness, while
>others are either laissez-faire (which is better than adding Democrat salt to the
>wounds), or truly trying to improve the plight of those who need help acheiving
>the standards.
>You cannot create equality by command (in a facist manner),
Well, we have come pretty close. Truman commanded integration in the
army, and it got a hell of a lot more equal than it was.
Title IX commanded equal money for women’s collegs sports, and it got
a lot more equal.
Brown v Board of Education commanded integrated schools, and now the
overlap in academics is vastly greater than it used to be.
Blacks used to make a small fraction of the income of whites.
We commanded a bunch of stuff and now it is a lot better.
Command may not get us all the way to equality, but they help.
but equality has to come
>from within the constituents (perhaps with encouragement from public leaders.)
no it doesn’t. We can order a medical school to admit women, against
their will, and soon – we have women doctors.
Imposed,
>facist equality isn’t equality. Refer to the racial strife that has re-occured in E Europe
>after the FALSE, Communist imposed ‘equality’ has disappeared. The problem with
>that system (and yours) is that superficial improvement IS NOT HELPFUL, other than
>creates an unstable situation for the future.
A do nothing approach would mean we would still have separate colored
water fountains, and all of that.
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>John
"DeWayne Guice" <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> I applaud your "assumption" but obviously you not clear on my intentions.
My opinion, is that if you do ANYTHING to improve the Democrat party, it is
only good for the country.
John
On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:27:58 GMT, Sam Barber
<sambar…@prontomail.com> wrote:
>>>If that is the case, all the more reason to really get rid of failed
>>>Democratic programs.
>>Consider the situation before the civil rights laws advanced.
>Yes, all those southern Democrats stood in the way.
Absolutely.
>>Blacks got WAY fewer loans.
>And remain in urban ghettos.
Drug X cures eighty percent of those with Lung Cancer.
You complain – the drug company has taken steps to assure that twenty
percent die.
>>>If Democrtas are willing to admit that their assumptions may have
>>>actually been way, way off base.
>>The civil rights advances have been followed by great strides.
>While Democrats’ programs keep blacks in urban ghettos.
You mean – Democratic policies kill twenty percent of those with lung
cancer?
(Ignoring the eighty percent cure rate?)
>>That does not mean that we have yet reached the promised land.
>It does mean that you should learn from your failures, and rather than
>repeat them, scrap them.
PULL THE DRUG FROM THE MARKET he yells IT FOSTERS A SYSTEM IN WHICH
TWENTY PERCENT DIE
I agree we should learn from failures.
Will you know agree we also should learn from successes?
>Why on earth Democrats would still want to keep blacks and the poor
>in poverty and urban ghettos while pretending otherwise by propping
>up failed programs with more of the same is quite astounding.
I know, we just keep pitching that cancer drug dooming twenty percent
to die.
While you say we should take it off the market.
On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 20:18:19 GMT, Sam Barber
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>On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:44:00 GMT, tyrebiterN…@workmail.com (George
>Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.) wrote:
>>On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:27:58 GMT, Sam Barber
>><sambar…@prontomail.com> wrote:
>>>>>If that is the case, all the more reason to really get rid of failed
>>>>>Democratic programs.
>>>>Consider the situation before the civil rights laws advanced.
>>>Yes, all those southern Democrats stood in the way.
>>Absolutely.
>>>>Blacks got WAY fewer loans.
>>>And remain in urban ghettos.
>>Drug X cures eighty percent of those with Lung Cancer.
>>You complain – the drug company has taken steps to assure that twenty
>>percent die.
>I see you haven’t talked to Jesse Jackson lately…
Baseball is really an inferior game, not even a sport – it has to be
called a passtime.
In addition, coal can’t really be turned into a very clean source of
power.
Any other completely irrelevant comments we should consider while
we’re on this path?
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>>>>>If Democrtas are willing to admit that their assumptions may have
>>>>>actually been way, way off base.
>>>>The civil rights advances have been followed by great strides.
>>>While Democrats’ programs keep blacks in urban ghettos.
>>You mean – Democratic policies kill twenty percent of those with lung
>>cancer?
>>(Ignoring the eighty percent cure rate?)
>>>>That does not mean that we have yet reached the promised land.
>>>It does mean that you should learn from your failures, and rather than
>>>repeat them, scrap them.
>>PULL THE DRUG FROM THE MARKET he yells IT FOSTERS A SYSTEM IN WHICH
>>TWENTY PERCENT DIE
>… nor Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton….
Should I ask you why you are ignoring Adolph Hitler while you discuss
the balanced-budget amendment?
You have gone over the logical cliff here.
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>>I agree we should learn from failures.
>>Will you know agree we also should learn from successes?
>…nor Louis F….
>>>Why on earth Democrats would still want to keep blacks and the poor
>>>in poverty and urban ghettos while pretending otherwise by propping
>>>up failed programs with more of the same is quite astounding.
>>I know, we just keep pitching that cancer drug dooming twenty percent
>>to die.
>…nor the new Black Panthers who chastised Clinton for even stepping
>foot in Harlem.
>>While you say we should take it off the market.
>While Democrats complain about drug companies and how Republicans
>are responsible for the Democrats failed policies.
>You know, you really should get out in the world. You’ve missed about
>40+ years of history.
>____
>"That is a political issue that must be decided by the negotiators.
>As a psychological first step it (the amount) does not matter.
>Psychology is what Kyoto is about because there is no (scientific)
>basis for 5.2 percent."
>- Narasimhan Sundararaman, Secretary of the Geneva-based
>Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), confessing the real
>meaning of Kyoto, 7/09/01
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>PULL THE DRUG FROM THE MARKET he yells IT FOSTERS A SYSTEM IN WHICH
> >>TWENTY PERCENT DIE
> >… nor Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton….
> Should I ask you why you are ignoring Adolph Hitler while you discuss
> the balanced-budget amendment?
> You have gone over the logical cliff here.
Okay — so Al Sharpton being an alive (but in jail) political figure is ‘over the
logical cliff’, while your mention of Adolph out of context isn’t?
Given your own way of thinking, confusing context (dead despots, alive
political figures), perhaps this is a Freudian thing where you are the one
who is making the association between a Democrat political figure and
Hitler? :-).
Maybe that association does show some kind of thinking process going
.
on in your mind — but perhaps a little insane
John
I can admit that the whole system is way off base,,not just one political
party..the reason they are way off base is because we as citizens are to
busy arguing with each other and not directing our attention at political
party bosses.
DeWayne Guice
Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
Harrisonburg, Louisiana
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> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 06:07:29 GMT, tyrebiterN…@workmail.com (George
> Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.) wrote:
> >On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:35:21 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
> ><guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>A black being denied a loan because he is black is not unlike a white
being
> >>denied a job through affirmative action because he is white..this is a
> >>question not a statement???
> >Blacks get FEWER loans.
> >Whites get MORE jobs.
> >See the difference?
> Hmmm.
> If that is the case, all the more reason to really get rid of failed
> Democratic programs.
> If Democrtas are willing to admit that their assumptions may have
> actually been way, way off base.
> >>DeWayne Guice
> >>Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
> >>Harrisonburg, Louisiana
> >>"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in
message
> >>news:3b73312c.28341061@news.newsguy.com…
> >>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:02:28 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
> >>> <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>> >So wouldn’t it be more fair for individuals than races?
> >>> That one individual is denied a loan does not prove much.
> >>> That blacks, on the whole, are denied loans, even when their incomes
> >>> are the same as white applicants, suggests unequal treatment.
> >>> To Daschle.
> >>> To others it does not imply unequal protection, based on race,
> >>> because, presumably, they think blacks deserve to have the loan
> >>> denied, for some reason or other.
> >>> I think that a legislator can rightly look at societal-wide events and
> >>> make laws based on them.
> >>> If teens start dying of drug overdoses, it makes sense to suspect a
> >>> cause for that, other than something inside children.
> >>> I do not find such logic bad.
> >>> >DeWayne Guice
> >>> >"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in
> >>message
> >>> >news:3b7295e4.13984694@news.newsguy.com…
> >>> >> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:18:28 -0400, "A Real American"
> >>> >> <rgerm…@rovin.net> wrote:
> >>> >> >Daschle Wants Equal Economic Outcomes for All Americans
> >>> >> >By Gene Koprowski
> >>> >> >CNSNews.com Correspondent
> >>> >> >August 08, 2001
> >>> >> >Chicago (CNSNews.com) – Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle
(D-S.D.),
> >>> >> >burnishing his civil rights credentials, told delegates to the
annual
> >>> >> >Rainbow Coalition/Operation PUSH convention here that the Senate
> >>during
> >>> >the
> >>> >> >rest of his tenure will aim to ensure equal economic outcomes for
all
> >>> >> That is not true.
> >>> >> I read the remarks, and what he said was that racial disparity in
> >>> >> economic outcomes demonstrates that we do not provide equal
protection
> >>> >> for those of different races.
> >>> >> What he aims to ensure is equal opportunity for those of different
> >>> >> races.
> >>> >> He did not say that he expects or will push for equal outcomes for
> >>> >> all.
> >>> >> His comment related to racial groups, not to individuals.
> >>> >> CNSnews – not too accuarate in their summary.
> ____
> "That is a political issue that must be decided by the negotiators.
> As a psychological first step it (the amount) does not matter.
> Psychology is what Kyoto is about because there is no (scientific)
> basis for 5.2 percent."
> – Narasimhan Sundararaman, Secretary of the Geneva-based
> Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), confessing the real
> meaning of Kyoto, 7/09/01
Perhaps making my party understand that we are all equally in need of
leadership is a start.
DeWayne Guice
Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
Harrisonburg, Louisiana
"JD" <dy…@jdyson.com> wrote in message
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> "DeWayne Guice" <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:Mx_c7.16523$Ke7.566880@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com…
> > I applaud your "assumption" but obviously you not clear on my
intentions.
> My opinion, is that if you do ANYTHING to improve the Democrat party, it
is
> only good for the country.
> John
Well, at least Daschle admitted that he was a communist. He has more guts
than the Republicans who rather than stand up and point this out, just sits
by and watches the country become more and more communistic. Telling the
"Rainbo Coalition/Operation PUSH that the Democrat party will "ensure equal
economic outcomes for all Americans" is very scary to anyone that believes
in free enterprise and Democracy. I think, the Republicans and the true
American Democrats should be screaming out to the public what this guy is up
to.
–
You gotta have a really dumb bunch
of people in your state, to want the
Federal Government to be your baby
sitter.
C Asa James
Living off the land,
and all it’s suckers.
DeWayne Guice <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Perhaps making my party understand that we are all equally in need of
> leadership is a start.
> DeWayne Guice
> Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
> Harrisonburg, Louisiana
> "JD" <dy…@jdyson.com> wrote in message
> news:xV%c7.614$5N2.131909@news1.iquest.net…
> > "DeWayne Guice" <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:Mx_c7.16523$Ke7.566880@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com…
> > > I applaud your "assumption" but obviously you not clear on my
> intentions.
> > My opinion, is that if you do ANYTHING to improve the Democrat party, it
> is
> > only good for the country.
> > John
It is my position that the Democrat party must lead the way. The reason is
primarily that the GOP only has to provide slightly better behavior than the
Dems, and that standard is very low.
The Dems SHOULD NOT be afraid of a few short term GOP victories, becuase
it is exactly the same kind of strategic senerio that often makes for long
term victories by those who invest in the future.
Look at it this way: the GOP pretty much has the relative honesty/ethics prize
(whatever that is worth), and if they make their position better, it will not
improve their position. The ONLY thing that could motivate the GOP to straighten
up their act is for the ‘bar’ (standards) to be raised by the Dems.
People who are trying to improve the Dems at the grass roots are the long term
future.
John
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> Perhaps making my party understand that we are all equally in need of
> leadership is a start.
> DeWayne Guice
> Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
> Harrisonburg, Louisiana
> "JD" <dy…@jdyson.com> wrote in message
> news:xV%c7.614$5N2.131909@news1.iquest.net…
> > "DeWayne Guice" <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:Mx_c7.16523$Ke7.566880@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com…
> > > I applaud your "assumption" but obviously you not clear on my
> intentions.
> > My opinion, is that if you do ANYTHING to improve the Democrat party, it
> is
> > only good for the country.
> > John
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Farm Boys <farm…@agrinet.net> wrote in message news:…
> Well, at least Daschle admitted that he was a communist. He has more guts
> than the Republicans who rather than stand up and point this out, just
sits
> by and watches the country become more and more communistic. Telling the
> "Rainbo Coalition/Operation PUSH that the Democrat party will "ensure
equal
> economic outcomes for all Americans" is very scary to anyone that believes
> in free enterprise and Democracy. I think, the Republicans and the true
> American Democrats should be screaming out to the public what this guy is
up
> to.
> —
> You gotta have a really dumb bunch
> of people in your state, to want the
> Federal Government to be your baby
> sitter.
> C Asa James
> Living off the land,
> and all it’s suckers.
> DeWayne Guice <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:wHTf7.4821$my6.331277@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com…
> > Perhaps making my party understand that we are all equally in need of
> > leadership is a start.
> > DeWayne Guice
> > Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
> > Harrisonburg, Louisiana
> > "JD" <dy…@jdyson.com> wrote in message
> > news:xV%c7.614$5N2.131909@news1.iquest.net…
> > > "DeWayne Guice" <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Mx_c7.16523$Ke7.566880@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com…
> > > > I applaud your "assumption" but obviously you not clear on my
> > intentions.
> > > My opinion, is that if you do ANYTHING to improve the Democrat party,
it
> > is
> > > only good for the country.
> > > John
"Farm Boys" <farm…@agrinet.net> wrote in message
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> Farm Boys <farm…@agrinet.net> wrote in message news:…
> > Well, at least Daschle admitted that he was a communist. He has more guts
> > than the Republicans who rather than stand up and point this out, just
> sits
> > by and watches the country become more and more communistic. Telling the
> > "Rainbo Coalition/Operation PUSH that the Democrat party will "ensure
> equal
> > economic outcomes for all Americans" is very scary to anyone that believes
> > in free enterprise and Democracy. I think, the Republicans and the true
> > American Democrats should be screaming out to the public what this guy is
> up
> > to.
The biggest problem for the Dems is that the transition towards honesty
will initially be difficult, becuase of all of the sins (figuratively) that theyll
have to pay for. The best way to work on the problem is for grassroots
politicians to slowly take over the party, and without as strong a legacy
of deceit, it will be easier for them to progress.
My Dem-hater side wants to see some of the creeps to be found out
(even by the more stupid parts of their electorate) for what they
really are. However, that really isn’t the most productive course
for the country, and so I tend to resist that attitude.
My GOP-hater side wants them to be less afraid to accurately
state their positions, and to avoid being swayed by the dishonest
Democrat rhetoric. Even as a middle-of the roader, 1/2 liberal
and 1/2 conservative, I find the GOP being too weak-knee’d,
being dishonest not because of the Democrat-style of purposeful
misleading and slanderous type statements (claims about GOPers
wanting to starve people), but because they are afraid to tell
the truth (due to a politically correct environment.)
As time goes on, if the Democrats (from the grass roots)
can take on the issues of ethics and honesty (keep away
from ‘morality’), that will cause the GOP to have to compete
on issues other than their fall back of ‘not being as
corrupt as a Dem.’ Another VERY IMPORTANT goal
should be to improve education, but that is double
sided for the Dems. As HONEST people become more
aware (and those people are NOT in a dependency or
special interest group), they’ll obviously question
the Democrat party tactics and history. It is VERY
important for the Dems to keep in bed with the NEA
and continue rewriting history (and sometimes creating
spin in realtime.) This helps to hide the truth about the
true effects of the Democrat policy on the poor (keeping
them poor), maintaning dependency so that the
fear factor keeps the current corrupt Democrats
from imploding on themselves.
Kyoto would have been the Democrat parties dream
come true in order to keep the SS and other welfare
programs in good shape: if you make it too expensive
for old and sick people to have airconditioning,
then more of them will die off. The people who
are well off, wont’ be hurt (relatively so)…
John