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> Farm Boys <farm…@agrinet.net> wrote in message news:…
> > Well, at least Daschle admitted that he was a communist. He has more guts
> > than the Republicans who rather than stand up and point this out, just
> sits
> > by and watches the country become more and more communistic. Telling the
> > "Rainbo Coalition/Operation PUSH that the Democrat party will "ensure
> equal
> > economic outcomes for all Americans" is very scary to anyone that believes
> > in free enterprise and Democracy. I think, the Republicans and the true
> > American Democrats should be screaming out to the public what this guy is
> up
> > to.

The biggest problem for the Dems is that the transition towards honesty
will initially be difficult, becuase of all of the sins (figuratively) that theyll
have to pay for.   The best way to work on the problem is for grassroots
politicians to slowly take over the party, and without as strong a legacy
of deceit, it will be easier for them to progress.

My Dem-hater side wants to see some of the creeps to be found out
(even by the more stupid parts of their electorate) for what they
really are.   However, that really isn’t the most productive course
for the country, and so I tend to resist that attitude.

My GOP-hater side wants them to be less afraid to accurately
state their positions, and to avoid being swayed by the dishonest
Democrat rhetoric.   Even as a middle-of the roader, 1/2 liberal
and 1/2 conservative, I find the GOP being too weak-knee’d,
being dishonest not because of the Democrat-style of purposeful
misleading and slanderous type statements (claims about GOPers
wanting to starve people), but because they are afraid to tell
the truth (due to a politically correct environment.)

As time goes on, if the Democrats (from the grass roots)
can take on the issues of ethics and honesty (keep away
from ‘morality’), that will cause the GOP to have to compete
on issues other than their fall back of ‘not being as
corrupt as a Dem.’   Another VERY IMPORTANT goal
should be to improve education, but that is double
sided for the Dems.   As HONEST people become more
aware (and those people are NOT in a dependency or
special interest group), they’ll obviously question
the Democrat party tactics and history.   It is VERY
important for the Dems to keep in bed with the NEA
and continue rewriting history (and sometimes creating
spin in realtime.)  This helps to hide the truth about the
true effects of the Democrat policy on the poor (keeping
them poor), maintaning dependency so that the
fear factor keeps the current corrupt Democrats
from imploding on themselves.

Kyoto would have been the Democrat parties dream
come true in order to keep the SS and other welfare
programs in good shape:  if you make it too expensive
for old and sick people to have airconditioning,
then more of them will die off.   The people who
are well off, wont’ be hurt (relatively so)…

John

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Farm Boys <farm…@agrinet.net> wrote in message news:…
> Well, at least Daschle admitted that he was a communist. He has more guts
> than the Republicans who rather than stand up and point this out, just
sits
> by and watches the country become more and more communistic. Telling the
> "Rainbo Coalition/Operation PUSH that the Democrat party will "ensure
equal
> economic outcomes for all Americans" is very scary to anyone that believes
> in free enterprise and Democracy. I think, the Republicans and the true
> American Democrats should be screaming out to the public what this guy is
up
> to.

> —
> You gotta have a really dumb bunch
> of people in your state, to want the
> Federal Government to be your baby
> sitter.

> C Asa James
> Living off the land,
> and all it’s suckers.

> DeWayne Guice <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:wHTf7.4821$my6.331277@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com…
> > Perhaps making my party understand that we are all equally in need of
> > leadership is a start.

> > DeWayne Guice
> > Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
> > Harrisonburg, Louisiana
> > "JD" <dy…@jdyson.com> wrote in message
> > news:xV%c7.614$5N2.131909@news1.iquest.net…

> > > "DeWayne Guice" <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Mx_c7.16523$Ke7.566880@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com…
> > > > I applaud your "assumption" but obviously you not clear on my
> > intentions.

> > > My opinion, is that if you do ANYTHING to improve the Democrat party,
it
> > is
> > > only good for the country.

> > > John

The Dems SHOULD NOT be afraid of a few short term GOP victories, becuase
it is exactly the same kind of strategic senerio that often makes for long
term victories by those who invest in the future.

Look at it this way:  the GOP pretty much has the relative honesty/ethics prize
(whatever that is worth), and if they make their position better, it will not
improve their position.   The ONLY thing that could motivate the GOP to straighten
up their act is for the ‘bar’ (standards) to be raised by the Dems.

People who are trying to improve the Dems at the grass roots are the long term
future.

John

"DeWayne Guice" <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Perhaps making my party understand that we are all equally in need of
> leadership is a start.

> DeWayne Guice
> Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
> Harrisonburg, Louisiana
> "JD" <dy…@jdyson.com> wrote in message
> news:xV%c7.614$5N2.131909@news1.iquest.net…

> > "DeWayne Guice" <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:Mx_c7.16523$Ke7.566880@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com…
> > > I applaud your "assumption" but obviously you not clear on my
> intentions.

> > My opinion, is that if you do ANYTHING to improve the Democrat party, it
> is
> > only good for the country.

> > John

DeWayne Guice
Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
Harrisonburg, Louisiana
"JD" <dy…@jdyson.com> wrote in message

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> "DeWayne Guice" <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:Mx_c7.16523$Ke7.566880@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com…
> > I applaud your "assumption" but obviously you not clear on my
intentions.

> My opinion, is that if you do ANYTHING to improve the Democrat party, it
is
> only good for the country.

> John

–
You gotta have a really dumb bunch
of people in your state, to want the
Federal Government to be your baby
sitter.

C Asa James
Living off the land,
and all it’s suckers.

DeWayne Guice <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Perhaps making my party understand that we are all equally in need of
> leadership is a start.

> DeWayne Guice
> Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
> Harrisonburg, Louisiana
> "JD" <dy…@jdyson.com> wrote in message
> news:xV%c7.614$5N2.131909@news1.iquest.net…

> > "DeWayne Guice" <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:Mx_c7.16523$Ke7.566880@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com…
> > > I applaud your "assumption" but obviously you not clear on my
> intentions.

> > My opinion, is that if you do ANYTHING to improve the Democrat party, it
> is
> > only good for the country.

> > John

DeWayne Guice
Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
Harrisonburg, Louisiana
"Sam Barber" <sambar…@prontomail.com> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 06:07:29 GMT, tyrebiterN…@workmail.com (George
> Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.) wrote:

> >On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:35:21 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
> ><guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> >>A black being denied a loan because he is black is not unlike a white
being
> >>denied a job through affirmative action because he is white..this is a
> >>question not a statement???

> >Blacks get FEWER loans.

> >Whites get MORE jobs.

> >See the difference?

> Hmmm.

> If that is the case, all the more reason to really get rid of failed
> Democratic programs.

> If Democrtas are willing to admit that their assumptions may have
> actually been way, way off base.

> >>DeWayne Guice
> >>Catahoula Parish Democratic Executive Committee
> >>Harrisonburg, Louisiana
> >>"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in
message
> >>news:3b73312c.28341061@news.newsguy.com…
> >>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:02:28 -0500, "DeWayne Guice"
> >>> <guic…@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> >>> >So wouldn’t it be more fair for individuals than races?

> >>> That one individual is denied a loan does not prove much.

> >>> That blacks, on the whole, are denied loans, even when their incomes
> >>> are the same as white applicants, suggests unequal treatment.

> >>> To Daschle.

> >>> To others it does not imply unequal protection, based on race,
> >>> because, presumably, they think blacks deserve to have the loan
> >>> denied, for some reason or other.

> >>> I think that a legislator can rightly look at societal-wide events and
> >>> make laws based on them.

> >>> If teens start dying of drug overdoses, it makes sense to suspect a
> >>> cause for that, other than something inside children.

> >>> I do not find such logic bad.

> >>> >DeWayne Guice
> >>> >"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiterN…@workmail.com> wrote in
> >>message
> >>> >news:3b7295e4.13984694@news.newsguy.com…
> >>> >> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:18:28 -0400, "A Real American"
> >>> >> <rgerm…@rovin.net> wrote:

> >>> >> >Daschle Wants Equal Economic Outcomes for All Americans
> >>> >> >By Gene Koprowski
> >>> >> >CNSNews.com Correspondent
> >>> >> >August 08, 2001

> >>> >> >Chicago (CNSNews.com) – Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle
(D-S.D.),
> >>> >> >burnishing his civil rights credentials, told delegates to the
annual
> >>> >> >Rainbow Coalition/Operation PUSH convention here that the Senate
> >>during
> >>> >the
> >>> >> >rest of his tenure will aim to ensure equal economic outcomes for
all

> >>> >> That is not true.

> >>> >> I read the remarks, and what he said was that racial disparity in
> >>> >> economic outcomes demonstrates that we do not provide equal
protection
> >>> >> for those of different races.

> >>> >> What he aims to ensure is equal opportunity for those of different
> >>> >> races.

> >>> >> He did not say that he expects or will push for equal outcomes for
> >>> >> all.

> >>> >> His comment related to racial groups, not to individuals.

> >>> >> CNSnews – not too accuarate in their summary.

> ____
> "That is a political issue that must be decided by the negotiators.
> As a psychological first step it (the amount) does not matter.
> Psychology is what Kyoto is about because there is no (scientific)
> basis for 5.2 percent."

> – Narasimhan Sundararaman, Secretary of the Geneva-based
> Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), confessing the real
> meaning of Kyoto, 7/09/01

> >>PULL THE DRUG FROM THE MARKET he yells IT FOSTERS A SYSTEM IN WHICH
> >>TWENTY PERCENT DIE

> >… nor Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton….

> Should I ask you why you are ignoring Adolph Hitler while you discuss
> the balanced-budget amendment?

> You have gone over the logical cliff here.

Okay — so Al Sharpton being an alive (but in jail) political figure is ‘over the
logical cliff’, while your mention of Adolph out of context isn’t?

Given your own way of thinking, confusing context (dead despots, alive
political figures), perhaps this is a Freudian thing where you are the one
who is making the association between a Democrat political figure and
Hitler?  :-).

Maybe that association does show some kind of thinking process going
on in your mind — but perhaps a little insane .

John

<sambar…@prontomail.com> wrote:

>>>If that is the case, all the more reason to really get rid of failed
>>>Democratic programs.

>>Consider the situation before the civil rights laws advanced.

>Yes, all those southern Democrats stood in the way.

Absolutely.

>>Blacks got WAY fewer loans.

>And remain in urban ghettos.

Drug X cures eighty percent of those with Lung Cancer.

You complain – the drug company has taken steps to assure that twenty
percent die.

>>>If Democrtas are willing to admit that their assumptions may have
>>>actually been way, way off base.

>>The civil rights advances have been followed by great strides.

>While Democrats’ programs keep blacks in urban ghettos.

You mean – Democratic policies kill twenty percent of those with lung
cancer?

(Ignoring the eighty percent cure rate?)

>>That does not mean that we have yet reached the promised land.

>It does mean that you should learn from your failures, and rather than
>repeat them, scrap them.

PULL THE DRUG FROM THE MARKET he yells IT FOSTERS A SYSTEM IN WHICH
TWENTY PERCENT DIE

I agree we should learn from failures.

Will you know agree we also should learn from successes?

>Why on earth Democrats would still want to keep blacks and the poor
>in poverty and urban ghettos while pretending otherwise by propping
>up failed programs with more of the same is quite astounding.

I know, we just keep pitching that cancer drug dooming twenty percent
to die.

While you say we should take it off the market.

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<sambar…@prontomail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:44:00 GMT, tyrebiterN…@workmail.com (George
>Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.) wrote:

>>On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:27:58 GMT, Sam Barber
>><sambar…@prontomail.com> wrote:

>>>>>If that is the case, all the more reason to really get rid of failed
>>>>>Democratic programs.

>>>>Consider the situation before the civil rights laws advanced.

>>>Yes, all those southern Democrats stood in the way.

>>Absolutely.

>>>>Blacks got WAY fewer loans.

>>>And remain in urban ghettos.

>>Drug X cures eighty percent of those with Lung Cancer.

>>You complain – the drug company has taken steps to assure that twenty
>>percent die.

>I see you haven’t talked to Jesse Jackson lately…

Baseball is really an inferior game, not even a sport – it has to be
called a passtime.

In addition, coal can’t really be turned into a very clean source of
power.

Any other completely irrelevant comments we should consider while
we’re on this path?

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>>>>>If Democrtas are willing to admit that their assumptions may have
>>>>>actually been way, way off base.

>>>>The civil rights advances have been followed by great strides.

>>>While Democrats’ programs keep blacks in urban ghettos.

>>You mean – Democratic policies kill twenty percent of those with lung
>>cancer?

>>(Ignoring the eighty percent cure rate?)

>>>>That does not mean that we have yet reached the promised land.

>>>It does mean that you should learn from your failures, and rather than
>>>repeat them, scrap them.

>>PULL THE DRUG FROM THE MARKET he yells IT FOSTERS A SYSTEM IN WHICH
>>TWENTY PERCENT DIE

>… nor Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton….

Should I ask you why you are ignoring Adolph Hitler while you discuss
the balanced-budget amendment?

You have gone over the logical cliff here.

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>>I agree we should learn from failures.

>>Will you know agree we also should learn from successes?

>…nor Louis F….

>>>Why on earth Democrats would still want to keep blacks and the poor
>>>in poverty and urban ghettos while pretending otherwise by propping
>>>up failed programs with more of the same is quite astounding.

>>I know, we just keep pitching that cancer drug dooming twenty percent
>>to die.

>…nor the new Black Panthers who chastised Clinton for even stepping
>foot in Harlem.

>>While you say we should take it off the market.

>While Democrats complain about drug companies and how Republicans
>are responsible for the Democrats failed policies.

>You know, you really should get out in the world. You’ve missed about
>40+ years of history.

>____
>"That is a political issue that must be decided by the negotiators.
>As a psychological first step it (the amount) does not matter.
>Psychology is what Kyoto is about because there is no (scientific)
>basis for 5.2 percent."

>- Narasimhan Sundararaman, Secretary of the Geneva-based
>Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), confessing the real
>meaning of Kyoto, 7/09/01

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> I applaud your "assumption" but obviously you not clear on my intentions.

My opinion, is that if you do ANYTHING to improve the Democrat party, it is
only good for the country.

John